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Old 02-26-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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So the Susan B. Komen Foundation for a Cure and 14 other Cancer Advocacy Groups are all mentally deficient?
They probably are not composed of researchers or people with medical knowledge.

I also wonder how much of this so called outrage against the FDA's decision is sponsored by the drug company that manufactures the drug.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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Thank you for injecting reason into this "debate." I have had breast cancer. I also work in the medical profession. I would not take this drug if it were offered to me free!
Well, that would be your choice. But it seems there are many people who would. I would also imagine that if nothing else was working for you and it did, you'd feel differently. This is an end stage drug afterall.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Led by the Susan B. Komen Foundation for a Cure, 15 patient advocacy groups have petitioned the FDA to reverse their effort to ration the drug. In a letter to the FDA, Elizabeth Thompson, the organization’s President, expresses concern over the potential negative impact that the FDA’s decision will have on women who are benefiting from Avastin:
"We know that for some number of women, Avastin works and works well. We have heard from women who are gaining not just months, but years with a high quality of life, from this treatment.
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So the Susan B. Komen Foundation for a Cure and 14 other Cancer Advocacy Groups are all mentally deficient?
No, but read the quote in context - the Komen Foundation is not as pro Avastin as presented in the article.

The quote in context:
Susan G. Komen for the Cure | Statement on Avastin
In 2008, the FDA gave Avastin accelerated approval for the treatment of metastatic breast cancer (that is, breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body) based on data showing that the drug extended the time it took for the cancer progress. Last month’s panel recommendation to withdraw approval was based on results from two relatively new clinical trials, which suggest that, on average, women taking the drug received only a modest benefit, while increasing their risk for certain side effects.

We recognize the benefits of Avastin overall are modest for women with metastatic breast cancer. However, we do know that for some women, Avastin offers a greater benefit — but we do not yet know how to determine which patients will experience greater benefits. We have much more to learn about the drug and how individual patients respond to the drug, such as why some women receive greater benefit while others do not.

Komen boss: Avastin position unchanged | San Francisco Business Times
The Komen Foundation recommends that women on Avastin can still take it but takes no position whether new patients should start on it or not.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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They probably are not composed of researchers or people with medical knowledge.

I also wonder how much of this so called outrage against the FDA's decision is sponsored by the drug company that manufactures the drug.

So from what I have gathered here so far.....

Liberals think 15 cancer advocacy groups are insane and in collusion with drug companies.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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Are they calling the withdraw of Avastin for approval a government death panel? Do they even say anything about "Obamacare"?

Nope, doesn't look like it.
I think what they are saying is .... we want the drug even though we do not know who will actually benefit from it.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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So from what I have gathered here so far.....

Liberals think 15 cancer advocacy groups are insane and in collusion with drug companies.
If you cut out the libs v neo-cons bs and stuck to the scientific arguments we might be able to have a more reasoned debate.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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A reasoned debate with people who would call 15 cancer advocacy groups insane, mentally deficient, and accuse them of colluding with the drug companies?

Really?
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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A 2008 NYT article on the effectiveness of Avastin- before this was politicized by anti-Obama forces:.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/health/06avastin.html
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A reasoned debate with people who would call 15 cancer advocacy groups insane, mentally deficient, and accuse them of colluding with the drug companies?

Really?
Just because people may disagree with the same things, doesn't mean they do it for the same explanation as you. Life has more choices then A or B, and clearly in their own words they don't agree with the take of Obamacare rationing and death panels...which is the insane bit.

They just want people to have choice, which is a rational argument.

Just because certain people champion it to forward their political goals by putting words into their mouths has no relation to their actually thoughts, only the person making the psychotic political horsecrap.
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Old 02-26-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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Just because people may disagree with the same things, doesn't mean they do it for the same explanation as you. Life has more choices then A or B, and clearly in their own words they don't agree with the take of Obamacare rationing and death panels...which is the insane bit.

They just want people to have choice, which is a rational argument.

Just because certain people champion it to forward their political goals by putting words into their mouths has no relation to their actually thoughts, only the person making the psychotic political horsecrap.
Like this?
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Rush falsely claims that FDA might rescind approval of Avastin for breast cancer "because it's too expensive"
Rush falsely claims that FDA might rescind approval of Avastin for breast cancer "because it's too expensive" | Media Matters for America

Audio of Rush included within link.
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