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View Poll Results: What is your view of unions?
I approve of all of them, public and private. 106 43.80%
I approve of public sector unions only. 4 1.65%
I approve of private sector unions only. 49 20.25%
I do not approve of any unions. 71 29.34%
Other, please explain. 12 4.96%
Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-03-2011, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Once upon a time, I worked in a field that wasn't unionized. Then I came to work for a company that is. The difference has been like night and day, mostly because unions are the only real way employees have of dealing with management. Open up a history book (assuming there are still people who read actual books any more) and you'll find that this was the reason unions formed in the first place.

If you're so religiously opposed to unions, fine. But don't take it out on people who've chosen to stand up for themselves.
Stand up for themselves, you say? How many things other than the pay they get are not protected by law these days.

I thought that unions were very important in the late 90s and early 20th century but now they are important only to the bosses and the politicians they can buy off with union dues. The bosses, say of the AFL-CIO and the SEIU are not for you, just for the socialist people who are willing to stand with them.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Those labor laws and safety regulations would disappear.Do you actually think a corporation would pass up ANY chance to cut costs?
How would they disappear?
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Are you aware andrea that communist russia allows its workers to strike? you actually advocate that america have fewer rights that n they?
Nice try, strawman.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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sounds like your negotiating skills were at best..........poor.
You should rethink that union stance of yours
I never went for the interview b/c right after it was set up (literally that night), I found out we were moving 1200 miles away.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I was against unions also, when I worked for a very small family run business. When I started working for a large corporation, I quickly realized why, as employees, we definitely needed the right to collective bargain. These huge corporations don't honestly give much thought or care to their employees, except when they are forced to. The upper crust of management is interested in pleasing stockholders in order to make sure their own pay and bonuses keep rising.
Consider this also: in southern IL, there are several large coal mines that have opened recently that are non-union, yet treat their employees fairly well with comparable pay and good benefits. This is done to keep the employees somewhat happy so as to keep the unions out. Therefore, if the unions didn't exist, they would have no motive to do this. (and I am generally a conservative independent, by the way)
I disagree with this. A company is worth only as much as its employees. If your employees suck (for whatever reason), your customers won't be happy and won't come back. It is to the company's benefit to keep their employees happy. Our business, for example, gives pay raises on merit only (we already gave out one, and we've only been open for 6 weeks), same with promotions (two promotions thus far). We also give out incentives to employees who perform well, like a gift certificate of some kind. We have flexible time off (basically they will get scheduled off for any day they request) and flexible hours. We WANT to keep our employees happy b/c we don't want them to leave. It costs a lot to train someone. Companies who can't make their employees happy deserve to lose profits, IMO. Unions don't need to interfere here, free market capitalism takes care of it.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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I do not think corporations should be allowed to donate to political parties either.........
Difference being,a corporation is not TAKING your money, you voluntarily give it to them, if you choose to........I don't want my tax dollars used against me!

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Old 03-03-2011, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Too true! andrea has given us many lessons in how to negotiate, and if we don't get the results we want, we're supposed to quit. If we can't find anyone to hire us at a higher pay scale, better benefits, etc, then we aren't good at what we do. I do believe she told me i was a bad nurse.
WTF? I never said you aren't a good nurse. I have no idea. And I will tell you the same thing I told the other poster, I never went to the interview so I never got to the negotiating table. Here's to you thinking you know everything!
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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WTF? I never said you aren't a good nurse. I have no idea. And I will tell you the same thing I told the other poster, I never went to the interview so I never got to the negotiating table. Here's to you thinking you know everything!
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Well, the first line of that post did say maybe not to work for that specific doctor's office. I didn't read much past that, apparently, since it has no bearing on the topic at hand.

ETA: My mom works for an insurance company now, and to say they don't pay squat means either you aren't looking in the right place, you're not trying to negotiate your salary or you're just plain not worth paying that much. I don't mean that to be rude, either.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:42 PM
 
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I disagree with this. A company is worth only as much as its employees. If your employees suck (for whatever reason), your customers won't be happy and won't come back. It is to the company's benefit to keep their employees happy. Our business, for example, gives pay raises on merit only (we already gave out one, and we've only been open for 6 weeks), same with promotions (two promotions thus far). We also give out incentives to employees who perform well, like a gift certificate of some kind. We have flexible time off (basically they will get scheduled off for any day they request) and flexible hours. We WANT to keep our employees happy b/c we don't want them to leave. It costs a lot to train someone. Companies who can't make their employees happy deserve to lose profits, IMO. Unions don't need to interfere here, free market capitalism takes care of it.
How did free market capitalism work before unions were around with particular regard to workplace safety?
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: In my house
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As long as I'm not forced to be apart of your organization and still have the same opportunities and rights.
so let me get this right,we,union workers,fight for it ,bleed for it,sweat for it,and you expect to get what we and the heros of our past fought for,where does that make any sense at all,so how about this analogy, you get married,take care of all the bills,do all the housework,shopping whatever,and when the wife is feeling frisky,you stand to the side and i'll jump in the sack with her and reap the rewards
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