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Old 02-28-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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There are moderates, we just dont elect them. We dont need moderates anyway, we've been saddled with liberalism so long that the only real hope is a generation or so of conservative govt. Not bible thumping right wing whacko's. Just conservative minded people who realize that spending more never helps when you are broke.

See this is the sticking point. I strongly lean fiscally conservative, however, I refuse to vote for Republicans as long as they toe the line of the religious nuts. Rand Paul and Ron Paul both claim to be on the Libertarian wing of the R party, yet I've heard both of them state that they are against abortion, particularly at the state level.

With them it seems Libertarianism only applies to the Fed Govt. How is that Libertarian? I much more fear an overbearing state govt that can quickly turn into a banana republic without the watchful eye of the Fed Govt insuring that said state does not infringe on the constitutional rights of the people residing there.
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Old 02-28-2011, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Yes there is a looney left, it's all over in your state's capitol. UnConstitutional laws, under the guise of being "green", too much support for illegals, should I have to go on? Look at the stupidity of the California vehicle emissions laws. They can pull you over any time and do a test on your car? And people are silly enough to put up with that? Or being told when you can or can not burn wood in your own home's fireplace because of "air quality", and you don't see the looneyness in that?
Compared to most of Europe, Californian "liberalism" is weak-sauce lmao
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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See this is the sticking point. I strongly lean fiscally conservative, however, I refuse to vote for Republicans as long as they toe the line of the religious nuts. Rand Paul and Ron Paul both claim to be on the Libertarian wing of the R party, yet I've heard both of them state that they are against abortion, particularly at the state level.

With them it seems Libertarianism only applies to the Fed Govt. How is that Libertarian? I much more fear an overbearing state govt that can quickly turn into a banana republic without the watchful eye of the Fed Govt insuring that said state does not infringe on the constitutional rights of the people residing there.


Ron and Rand both feel it is a womans right and agree with roe v. wade.
What they both disagree with is, State and federal subsidized abortions.

You want one, you pay for it all out of your pocket.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Ron and Rand both feel it is a womans right and agree with roe v. wade.
What they both disagree with is, State and federal subsidized abortions.

You want one, you pay for it all out of your pocket.
Wrong. He is for leaving it up to states. Yeah right. Like Texas will allow abortion in any cases. Roe v Wade made it a national right. He would take it away. In fact, if you check Ron Paul out he doesn't believe there is much a state shouldn't do.

"Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life"[198] and "an unshakable foe of abortion."[199] However, he believes regulation of medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level."[200][201][202] He believes that, for the most part, states should retain jurisdiction, in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.

On gay marriage:

"Paul opposes all federal efforts to define marriage, whether defined as a union between one man and one woman, or defined as including anything else as well. He believes that recognizing or legislating marriages should be left to the states, and not subjected to "judicial activism".[

As I said, Libertarians don't seem to have a problem at all with a state govt doing whatever it wants. You can have it.
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Old 02-28-2011, 10:24 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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You actually believe 3% can defeat 97%, your arguement is lacking logic. Yes, there could be an attempt and they would go down in flames so fast it would make your head spin. Americans have little tolerance for Traitors.
Casper


tell that to the founding fathers, all they had was 3% of the population to have a war called the revolutionary war.

remember, 3% now would be over 9 million people, and most likely it would contain people who already own firearms and know how to shoot.
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:34 AM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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at the rate things are going i say it could happen withing the next 10 to 20 years... what you think.??..
What would the rebellion be against?
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Gone
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tell that to the founding fathers, all they had was 3% of the population to have a war called the revolutionary war.

remember, 3% now would be over 9 million people, and most likely it would contain people who already own firearms and know how to shoot.
You are assuming again, good luck with that.
Casper
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: North America
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at the rate things are going i say it could happen withing the next 10 to 20 years... what you think.??..

No, I don't think a rebilion will happen in the us in the next 10-20 years. I don't even think a rebellion will happen. we speak through our votes.

Turn off beck and read a book.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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tell that to the founding fathers, all they had was 3% of the population to have a war called the revolutionary war.

remember, 3% now would be over 9 million people, and most likely it would contain people who already own firearms and know how to shoot.
Where are you getting this percentage from?
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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Actually, I think it will be the Gen Y'ers (Millenial generation) that will riot due to loss of perceived entitlements.
Exactly - and working their ass off to pay for the remaining
ones who have them.

That, and if the government gets their hands on the internet
more than they already do - there will be mayhem in the
streets.

All they have to do is go into Gamer mode - better
watch out
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