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Old 02-27-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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I find it interesting that this topic is suddenly at the forefront, but virtually IGNORED while Bush was running up the deficit and operating with a blank checkbook on military spending. Again, the rising deficit and spending were NOT headline news when Bush was turning the surplus he started with into a record deficit and engaged in out-of-control spending for the unnecessary wars he lied to engage this country in.

The deficit and spending are not the problem, but the Republican narrative is. Bush and Republicans left a tremendous mess. They engaged this country in two wars that were unnecessary. They ignored the domestic agenda and allowed it to fall into crisis mode. They ran up the deficit after given a surplus and spent mightily. Unfortunately, we have to spend ourselves out of this Republican-created mess. Democrats are trying to solve these problems. Republicans simply want Obama to fail and have no plans other than to help the privileged few. This is clear.
It was ignored by many, not by me. Th main reason it was ignored is the deficit while large in numbers was still small as a percentage of GDP, now that it is over 10% people are waking up.
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: KCMO Metro Area
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Not true.

Congress can always allocate increased tax revenue for a specific goal (debt repayment).

Its called a "lock box".

You can't cut enough government to pay off the debt.

Impossible.
No, it's not impossible. It is very unlikely, but not impossible.

Mathematics is all that is involved, and as long as you bring spending down to levels below your income, you can pay anything off over time.

The correct statement is;
It is impossible to pay off the debt while maintaining our current obligations without raising taxes.
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Not true.

Congress can always allocate increased tax revenue for a specific goal (debt repayment).

Its called a "lock box".

You can't cut enough government to pay off the debt.

Impossible.
How did that lock box work out for social security?

You can't tax people enough to pay off the debt, unless you consider taxing every single man, woman, and child $45,642 okay. That's the total debt per person in the US.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Reality
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Originally Posted by A_Lexus View Post
I find it interesting that this topic is suddenly at the forefront, but virtually IGNORED while Bush was running up the deficit and operating with a blank checkbook on military spending. Again, the rising deficit and spending were NOT headline news when Bush was turning the surplus he started with into a record deficit and engaged in out-of-control spending for the unnecessary wars he lied to engage this country in.

The deficit and spending are not the problem, but the Republican narrative is. Bush and Republicans left a tremendous mess. They engaged this country in two wars that were unnecessary. They ignored the domestic agenda and allowed it to fall into crisis mode. They ran up the deficit after given a surplus and spent mightily. Unfortunately, we have to spend ourselves out of this Republican-created mess. Democrats are trying to solve these problems. Republicans simply want Obama to fail and have no plans other than to help the privileged few. This is clear.
So why are you ignoring it now under Obama?
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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They are going to have to tax the middle classes and lower. There isn't enough money with the wealthy to do much of anything.

So all that complain, feel free to make your checks payable to the US Treasury.
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Old 02-27-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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They are going to have to tax the middle classes and lower. There isn't enough money with the wealthy to do much of anything.

So all that complain, feel free to make your checks payable to the US Treasury.
True, of the $8 trillion in income annually, $4.5 of it is earned by people making between $50-200k.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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No. But it is impossible to pay off our national debt without extreme cuts in government spending.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:15 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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We would also need to tackle unfunded liabilities. The problem we have is counting unfunded liabilites we owe $156 Trillion (including private, corporate, Fed, State and local debt). Grandfather Debt Summary Table Report by MWHodges
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:31 PM
 
Location: North America
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Why do working class conservatives obsess over protecting the income of millionaires while trying to cut funding for schools and the elderly like OJ with a knife?

I don't get it.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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It's actually pretty simple, if you raise taxes to bring in more revenue it will undoubtedly get spent on something other than debt because this is Washington DC we're talking about here. If you cut spending, and I mean really cut spending then you lower the debt.
If you cut spending then the Republicans will find a way to put the surplus into tax cuts rather than paying the debt.

Spinning arguments is a pointless exercise.
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