Fact: There's no such thing as "human rights" (weapon, regime)
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Why does everyone have a different set of rights? If rights come from god, how the hell do we know which rights god intends for us to have? Did they consult god for his opinion every 27 times they amended the constitution? Did god speak to them in visions and outline it for them? Even if rights come from god, if god doesn't specify which rights he wants us to have then ultimately it is just humans making the decisions.
Rights as a concept are inventions by the various human communities who enforce them. They are good inventions, yes, but inventions nonetheless. Groups of people got together and said that society would function better if the state absolutely could not do this that and the other. "God" did not tell them that.
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Originally Posted by lionking
It makes perfect sense to me to believe that your life , liberty and your attempt at happiness are rights from a creator in the god sense. Because if not, your life and freedom are at the mercy of your fellow human, and obviously that can lead you to being very dead and very imprisioned.
As has been said, rights can be and are stepped on all the time. Just because we don't like the reality that we are ultimately at the mercy of our fellow man doesn't mean that we can invent an alternate reality.
So, what you're saying is that God hates people in countries where they aren't allowed all of the rights we have as US citizens? If they are truly bestowed by God, that must be the case, right?
If you and I were born in Darfur, instead of the US, we'd still have all these rights because God gives them to us?
The purpose of the government is to protect our rights endowed by our creator.
If you don't believe in God think of the creator as the nature itself.
Community consensus changes from time to time. Do the rights change as well?
Interpretations change, but no, if only because some people a long time ago decided that some rights shouldn't change. If an even stronger group came along and decided that they should, they would. And, given few generations, the people would believe that it's as natural as what we believe right now.
"Inalienable Rights" is a nice concept which only works because we all more or less agree that it should. Not because Zeus or Set will clean our clocks if we muck with it.
Interpretations change, but no, if only because some people a long time ago decided that some rights shouldn't change. If an even stronger group came along and decided that they should, they would. And, given few generations, the people would believe that it's as natural as what we believe right now.
"Inalienable Rights" is a nice concept which only works because we all more or less agree that it should. Not because Zeus or Set will clean our clocks if we muck with it.
So any concept can be declared to be a right if enough people supports it?
Okay, Obama has declared that health care is a right now. That means any president down the road can declare that health care is not a right anymore.
What kind of an unstable society are you advocating for?
Community consensus changes from time to time. Do the rights change as well?
You've asked a truly interesting question.
Has the right to privacy changed in the internet age?
It's a legitimate question. The reality is if a country, state or city doesn't address how changes in society or technology affect people’s rights then chances are certain rights can be eroded or endangered.
Also people in society have to willing to fight for their rights. If not their rights are likely to be endangered or eroded by people with a vested interest in limiting peoples ability to protest, seek legal remedies to grievances or by people willing to use their economic power to subjugate other people.
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