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Old 02-28-2011, 11:28 PM
 
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That's right. Human rights, and all of its subsets of rights (civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, Muslim rights, victims' rights, travelers' rights, workers' rights are all a fabrication of the left in order to divide us up into victim groups and pit us against one another. Examples of said rights, also known as positive rights are things like the right to food, clothing, shelter, health care, transportation, education, unionization/collective bargaining, minimum wage, etc.

The only rights you have are natural rights, that is the right to life, liberty, and property in order to pursue happiness. You as an individual are endowed with these rights, not by your government, but by God, and your natural rights are to be secured by the government. Positive rights require action on behalf of the government in order to be bestowed upon you, that action being taking from person a in order to give to person b, thereby infringing upon person a's natural rights. You have the right to purchase things, no doubt about that, but you don't have a right to them because they require another's labor. The role of the government is to secure one's natural rights, not bestow positive rights upon individuals. This is the basis of the rule of law, upon which our nation was founded.
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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That's right. Human rights, and all of its subsets of rights (civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, Muslim rights, victims' rights, travelers' rights, workers' rights are all a fabrication of the left in order to divide us up into victim groups and pit us against one another. Examples of said rights, also known as positive rights are things like the right to food, clothing, shelter, health care, transportation, education, unionization/collective bargaining, minimum wage, etc.

The only rights you have are natural rights, that is the right to life, liberty, and property in order to pursue happiness. You as an individual are endowed with these rights, not by your government, but by God, and your natural rights are to be secured by the government. Positive rights require action on behalf of the government in order to be bestowed upon you, that action being taking from person a in order to give to person b, thereby infringing upon person a's natural rights. You have the right to purchase things, no doubt about that, but you don't have a right to them because they require another's labor. The role of the government is to secure one's natural rights, not bestow positive rights upon individuals. This is the basis of the rule of law, upon which our nation was founded.
Let's make a list of things listed here that aren't facts.

I'll go first
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You as an individual are endowed with these rights, not by your government, but by God
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Old 02-28-2011, 11:58 PM
 
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That's right. Human rights, and all of its subsets of rights (civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, Muslim rights, victims' rights, travelers' rights, workers' rights are all a fabrication of the left in order to divide us up into victim groups

Well if you want to credit the left with the invention of civil rights, women's rights, religious rights etc, etc, we will gladly take the credit.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:28 AM
 
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Millions of Americans don't believe in any "God". Does that mean they don't have rights?

I reject your religion-based, right-wing view of what the world is supposed to be like.
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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Millions of Americans don't believe in any "God". Does that mean they don't have rights?

I reject your religion-based, right-wing view of what the world is supposed to be like.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed...
Why do you left-wingers hate America and our freedom so much?
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Old 03-01-2011, 10:55 AM
 
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Millions of Americans don't believe in any "God". Does that mean they don't have rights?

I reject your religion-based, right-wing view of what the world is supposed to be like.
The founders have acknowledge God in all the founding documents, so you can be at peace with your lack of a supreme being, but the 97% religious majority are not offended, nor are they forcing you to pray or worship. The government only wants to confiscate all your wealth.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Why do you left-wingers hate America and our freedom so much?

You make a list of people who shouldn't pursue freedom or their interests and then you ask why others hate America and freedom?
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Why do you left-wingers hate America and our freedom so much?
Jefferson chose the words "their creator" carefully.

It was so not to alienate any religion, or those who didn't believe in a creator. Thats why its "their" creator.

At any point, the Declaration of Independence isn't an official United States document.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Tujunga
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The only rights you have are natural rights, that is the right to life, liberty, and property in order to pursue happiness. You as an individual are endowed with these rights, not by your government, but by God, and your natural rights are to be secured by the government. Positive rights require action on behalf of the government in order to be bestowed upon you, that action being taking from person a in order to give to person b, thereby infringing upon person a's natural rights. You have the right to purchase things, no doubt about that, but you don't have a right to them because they require another's labor. The role of the government is to secure one's natural rights, not bestow positive rights upon individuals. This is the basis of the rule of law, upon which our nation was founded.
There are no natural rights, or inherent rights to property, liberty or the pursuit of happiness. The only 'rights' people have is the ones that their group is powerful enough to enforce. Thus they are more privileges of groups.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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You make a list of people who shouldn't pursue freedom or their interests and then you ask why others hate America and freedom?
I found that to be equally amusing.
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