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Old 03-04-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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I love these kinds of predictions, especially if I remember who made them. I smell a big fat YOU TOLD ME SO, where I annoy the p--s out of a stranger coming on, over the next few years. The only reason our little experiment in government has been as long standing as it has, is the fact that we have the ebb and flow of crazy right and crazy left ideas. I think we're happiest as a nation when we take the kiddie trails, hard rights and lefts get tiresome rather quickly.
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Old 03-05-2011, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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You're woefully underinformed. Walker's plan was publicly known since at least last August when the teachers' union rep made a statement complaining about it.

The WI taxpayers elected Walker to enact his plan.
Well, seems to be a good bit of activity to correct the mistake of falling for Walker's lies of omission. Along with the more important, removal of some Wisc Senate Repubs.

Wisconsin recalls: Wisconsin Republican senators targeted for recalls - chicagotribune.com
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Old 03-05-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Well, seems to be a good bit of activity to correct the mistake of falling for Walker's lies of omission.
It's not a lie of omission. The teachers' union rep made a statement complaining about it last August. How could she have done that if that fact of Walker's plan had been omitted?

Good grief! I've posted the article discussing this NUMEROUS times, and you all still can't stop parroting your spoon-fed talking points. When are you all going to start thinking for yourselves, and stop being manipulated tools?

The teachers' health insurance benefits have been a costly problem in WI since at least 2000 when an Insurance and Risk Managenement Assoc. Prof at UW-Madison* (state employee, no less) and an independent Insurance and Risk Management consultant examined the issue and found that the teachers' union's insurance company, the Wisconsin Education Association's Ins Corp, was overcharging by $50 million per year back then. The current estimate is that they are overcharging WI taxpayers $68 million per year.
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume13/Vol13no8.pdf

*UW-Madison has a stellar Insurance and Risk Management Dept. consistently ranked in the top 5 nationwide - curent ranking is 4th.
Undergraduate business specialties: Insurance | Rankings | US News

Walker's Dem predecessor Doyle did nothing about the teachers' union's abusive overcharges for insurance for 8 years, costing taxpayers a minimum of an extra $400 million. Walker was elected by the WI taxpayers to end this and other public employee union abuses.

Sure, the unions are screaming about having this cash cow taken away, an extra $50-68 million per year is a nice take, wouldn't you say?

Walker is trying to make sure the union won't be able to scam and rip off the WI taxpayers anymore.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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So if you don't like Progressives, you are by definition favoring Regressives?
You need to go back in history and see when the word "progressive" which is "supposed to mean" movingforward when used as an adjective or noun changed its definition when adding the capital "P" to mean "socialist/communist/destroy-the-US Constitution" agenda. which happened in the 1920's if I remember my U.S. History correctly.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I have read this nutty theory many times in this forum. As if American parents and kids are worse than parents and kids form around the world. I have no idea where this notion comes from.
One of the reasons our younger generations since the 1960's have gone to "hell" is that all the "do gooders" that insisted we have all the "child protection" laws have legislated discipline out of both the home and the schools. Add to that the "welfare" handouts making "unwed" mothers' " mistakes so easy to feed, provide health, etc., etc., and the fact that we "as adults" have let music and movies get filthy and immoral but still let kids watch and hear the crap.

Many different areas of our society have simply turned kids loose which will never, ever work and will destroy any society in which that happens.

This cannot be corrected by throwing $'s at it. It can only be corrected by getting rid of destructive laws and re-instating discipline, morals and ethics.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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It's not a lie of omission. The teachers' union rep made a statement complaining about it last August. How could she have done that if that fact of Walker's plan had been omitted?

Good grief! I've posted the article discussing this NUMEROUS times, and you all still can't stop parroting your spoon-fed talking points. When are you all going to start thinking for yourselves, and stop being manipulated tools?

The teachers' health insurance benefits have been a costly problem in WI since at least 2000 when an Insurance and Risk Managenement Assoc. Prof at UW-Madison* (state employee, no less) and an independent Insurance and Risk Management consultant examined the issue and found that the teachers' union's insurance company, the Wisconsin Education Association's Ins Corp, was overcharging by $50 million per year back then. The current estimate is that they are overcharging WI taxpayers $68 million per year.
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume13/Vol13no8.pdf

*UW-Madison has a stellar Insurance and Risk Management Dept. consistently ranked in the top 5 nationwide - curent ranking is 4th.
Undergraduate business specialties: Insurance | Rankings | US News

Walker's Dem predecessor Doyle did nothing about the teachers' union's abusive overcharges for insurance for 8 years, costing taxpayers a minimum of an extra $400 million. Walker was elected by the WI taxpayers to end this and other public employee union abuses.

Sure, the unions are screaming about having this cash cow taken away, an extra $50-68 million per year is a nice take, wouldn't you say?

Walker is trying to make sure the union won't be able to scam and rip off the WI taxpayers anymore.
Bummer I can't rep you 100 times for this exposing excellent post !!!
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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So the conservatives are in favor of more involvement by the Dept. of Ed? Innnnnnnnteresting!!



I'm sick of parents being blamed all the time.
So who should take the blame? They're their children, for pete's sake. They're raising them, instilling values, educating them. Or should be.
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Old 03-05-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So who should take the blame? They're their children, for pete's sake. They're raising them, instilling values, educating them. Or should be.
I'm not sure anyone should be "blamed" for poor educational results. Every case is different.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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This man was silent during the Bush years, like all the rest of the Republicans. Where was the outrage to the spending that Bush was doing? Why ignore that reality and its collosal negative impact to slash the living daylights out of education? Education was ignored during the Bush years, now he wants to slash it, pretending as if the GOP didn't bring us to this mess? This is the beginning of the end to the GOP. I sense a total annihilation of Republican candidates come 2012. Way to eliminate yourselves, Pubs.

Wis. governor: Ax $900 million from education - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
There was a lot of outrage to Bush's spending. If all Republicans were fiscally conservative the TEA party movement never would have started.

As for Walker, many people support him. He is what many voters had in mind in the historic 2010 midterms. We did not want wishy washy Reps who cave in to Democrats demands.

As for education. It seems the dumbing down of America started to take place soon after the Department of Education was created. Spending tons of money does not = a quality education.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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There was a lot of outrage to Bush's spending. If all Republicans were fiscally conservative the TEA party movement never would have started.

How come the current Tea Party didn't really come out until after Obama was inaurgurated, then? Where was all this conservative outrage when Bush was spending all this money?
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