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The GOP only stands up for the investors and corporatists that own it. The rest of us are left to stand up for ourselves and for the rest of the workers, industrial and public, in this collapsing economy. The Corporatists have already stolen our jobs in the name of their sacred greed. We must not let them steal our right to help each other oppose the tyrants.
I do not need to find a citation for the blindingly obvious.
pro-business policies = jobs = strong growth = investments
pro-union policies = money shortfall for states = tax increases = less middle-class people, less businesses fleeing to pro-business states = less revenues, no money for infrastructure investments (like California).
GOP is maybe stand up for the investors and businesses but it's better = they create jobs and opportunities.Unions take taxpayers money to give it to politicians, these politicians reward them with more taxpayers money = thieves
Taxpayers (unionized employees included) have afforded the responsibility to the managers.
It's not working; state and local government budgets are deeply in the red. The taxpayers are therefore negating that afforded responsibility. Walker has the taxpayers' mandate.
Governor Walker is doing what the taxpayers want. They're the ones being crushed to fund those local governments. The taxpayers say, NO MORE!!!
A. NO one is being "crushed" by taxes or they wouldn't be so eager to fund wars and give the wealthiest Americans and corporations huge tax breaks.
B. Teachers , union members are taxpayers.
C. IF you truly think the tax burden is too much(it's at a historical LOW) then why do you think lowering taxpayer's wages will help with lowering taxes??
Lousy wages crush more people(the Republican plan) than taxes.
It's not working; state and local government budgets are deeply in the red. The taxpayers are therefore negating that afforded responsibility. Walker has the taxpayers' mandate.
I think these tax payers will have something to say in January 2012. Walker is protected by the state constitution until then. And in Ohio, heck even many republicans are grown up enough to recognize the problem with such idiocy. Look for a referendum against the bill later this year.
No, that would make their tax bills increase. That is not beneficial. The taxpayers fully recognize that.
I asked not for your lame opinion but to see what happens in a few months from now when these tax payers will get their chance (and in Ohio as well, where a referendum is expected).
It doesn't matter what you think. And why is this concern of mismanaged tax dollars only when it comes to such unions and not with every other decision the money managers must make?
As for corporate shareholders, how many tables have you been at that determined the salaries, golden parachutes and bonuses of top management? Or, is it a responsibility delegated to a few managers, such as board of directors?
If it doesn't matter what I think, why do you respond to my posts?
Mismanaged tax dollars? I'm saying the elected officials do everything in their power to not mismanage the tax dollars, but the union negotiating "rights" force it to happen anyway. That's exactly why these rules need to be changed!
Corporate shareholders elect the directors, who oversee the operations including compensation policies. How else would you do it? To say that a shareholder has no seat at the table is exactly the same as saying that a voter has no seat at the table, because the decisions are made by the officeholders who get elected.
NOT having a seat at the table is when you elect people to do something one way, and when they try to do it they are overridden by union arbitrators who aren't accountable to anyone.
pro-business policies = jobs = strong growth = investments
pro-union policies = money shortfall for states = tax increases = less middle-class people, less businesses fleeing to pro-business states = less revenues, no money for infrastructure investments (like California).
GOP is maybe stand up for the investors and businesses but it's better = they create jobs and opportunities.Unions take taxpayers money to give it to politicians, these politicians reward them with more taxpayers money = thieves
You certainly have their rhetoric down pat. Reality doesn't bear out their nonsense, but if it comforts people to believe it, have at it.
A. NO one is being "crushed" by taxes or they wouldn't be so eager to fund wars and give the wealthiest Americans and corporations huge tax breaks.
You do realize we're talking about property taxes, right? Property taxes fund local governments and school districts. Everyone pays property taxes in direct proportion to the value of their property. If they don't/can't pay, they lose that property.
As far as income taxes? You don't even want to go there because the wealthiest Americans are paying a grossly disproportionate amount, much more than their percentage of the income would ordinarily indicate (i.e. they earn 20% of the income but pay 38.02% of the income tax revenue - and people wonder why there are no jobs. We're overtaxing those who provide the jobs, so instead of hiring more people, they pay their oversized income tax bill).
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B. Teachers , union members are taxpayers.
...only a very small percentage of taxpayers, whose demands are in direct conflict with the vast majority.
If it doesn't matter what I think, why do you respond to my posts?
Mismanaged tax dollars? I'm saying the elected officials do everything in their power to not mismanage the tax dollars, but the union negotiating "rights" force it to happen anyway. That's exactly why these rules need to be changed!
Corporate shareholders elect the directors, who oversee the operations including compensation policies. How else would you do it? To say that a shareholder has no seat at the table is exactly the same as saying that a voter has no seat at the table, because the decisions are made by the officeholders who get elected.
NOT having a seat at the table is when you elect people to do something one way, and when they try to do it they are overridden by union arbitrators who aren't accountable to anyone.
Huh? Saying your point is about something that doesn't matter doesn't mean I'm pointing at your post as something that doesn't matter. In fact, I WOULD NOT respond to it if I saw it as such.
You appear to have a lot of trust in politicians managing money. Or, is that something that changes every now and then? The point, however, is not even that, but the fact that they are money managers and tax payers aren't included in every decision they make, on how the money is allocated. Is this not something you expect in a republic?
Likewise, and as you say, corporate shareholders elect the board (the representatives) who manage the money. Pretty much like things work in a republic.
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