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View Poll Results: Do You Think The Supreme Court Made The Correct Decision???
YES..... I reluctantly do! 58 69.05%
NO.....The "church" goes too far! 25 29.76%
I Have No Opinion on the ruling! 1 1.19%
I don't really care! 0 0%
Voters: 84. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-03-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The only defense against westboro baptist BS without getting sucked into their drama is to have a loudspeaker pointed directly at them at higher decibel drowning their retardation out. Perhaps something from liberace?
The methods used by the Patriot Riders in our town at two funerals about 3 weeks apart was that permission was given them but they had to stay 3 blocks away from the church (same one both times) which probably saved some real conflict. We are a small conservative leaning town in the middle of ranch country and the local cowboys just don't like that bunch.

At the first funeral one of the Phelps women made fun of the size of a woman who was just going to the bank. Well when she picked herself up off the street, the lady didn't like what she said, she was ready to be quiet. It was a beautiful right cross that shut her up.

The second funeral was for a onetime legislator who had been on the Supreme Court of Kansas for about 10 years and was retired. They came to town and every time they cranked up their speaker system the Patriots just gunned their idling cycles and that gets pretty loud on a street where 50 of them are sitting around getting ready to escort the procession. I guess maybe they could have been had by Phelps but he knew it would be a wasterof time since they had the right to ride on that street.

The sight of 50 or those people with the American flags flying trailing the funeral procession is really something worth seeing.

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Old 03-03-2011, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Go up and watch PITTSTON2SARASOTA second video on post 16. It shows the funeral. Notice 2 things. 1) No one from PGR yells hollers or makes any gestures to the protesters. NO LOUD SPEAKERS. 2)The protesters are on the sidewalk while the PGR is on the road. The protesters are required to keep a distance (I think 30 yards but I may be wrong) because they were not invited while the PGR is invited and allowed with in the required distance.
These things are very important. The goal is to allow the mourners a respectful service and any action besides acting as a wall takes away from that. Any outburst or counter protest disrupts the service and is disrespectful to the mourners.
Yeah on second thought I see and agree with your points; however IF the deceased requested music in their will etc..... than drowning out WestBoro seems appropriate.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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The methods used by the Patriot Riders in our town at two funerals about 3 weeks apart was that permission was given them but they had to stay 3 blocks away from the church (same one both times) which probably saved some real conflict. We are a small conservative leaning town in the middle of ranch country and the local cowboys just don't like that bunch.

At the first funeral one of the Phelps women made fun of the size of a woman who was just going to the bank. Well when she picked herself up off the street, the lady didn't like what she said, she was ready to be quiet. It was a beautiful right cross that shut her up.

The second funeral was for a onetime legislator who had been on the Supreme Court of Kansas for about 10 years and was retired. They came to town and every time they cranked up their speaker system the Patriots just gunned their idling cycles and that gets pretty loud on a street where 50 of them are sitting around getting ready to escort the procession. I guess maybe they could have been had by Phelps but he knew it would be a wasterof time since they had the right to ride on that street.

The sight of 50 or those people with the American flags flying trailing the funeral procession is really something worth seeing.
See posters, we can always find common ground......IF we try......roy and I are in agreememt. . Though I don't advocate violence......it seems the lady with "size" finally "got to sing"..
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:34 AM
 
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ROFL......That would be appropriate but I can think of some more modern gay groups that would serve the purpose even better>>>>>
That song has no meaning to me as a woman because my sexuality is experienced differently than males. I hope you understand that. Crimminy I wish hetero males knew that! ROFL

As for those saying anything goes in free speech performance art/ media circus I'd just like to point out something I feel is valid criticism among social conservative arguments. I despise Palin but common decency standards are in order because this adult world is in part shared with children. The majority women also would rather not be bothered with what amounts to be penis contests that are pointless unto themselves. Whether or not you have children yourselves civilization has no purpose whatsoever if children are not permitted to exist in it. That standard was provided for you as children growing up and you're obliged to pay it forward. No I'm not saying kids should be free to play in traffic. I'm saying they're the last thing you consider in everything we do as a civilization and there's something patently wrong with that mentality.

Free society being given too liberal a license to operate would have everyone driving down the wrong lane highway. Children need structure, order, and reinforcement from community about social standards. What they get these days are adults degenerated in maturity. Parents are having to keep their children locked away from exchanges with civilization to increasing degrees because adults are not willing to be responsible for themselves. The sense of community is lost in the fray. It's this aspect of atlas shrugged on steroids I take rigorous objections.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:48 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I agree with Justice Alito.

"In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner."


While Roberts argues that the content of Westboro's protest signs "plainly relates to public, rather than private, matters," Alito seems to find that the public intention doesn't negate the personal damage that was inflicted.

"Respondents brutally attacked Matthew Snyder, and this attack, which was almost certain to inflict injury, was central to respondents' well-practiced strategy for attracting public attention,"

I disagree with Justice Roberts.
I too agree with Alito. My God that steely-eyed Conservative Roberts continues to vote his political leanings. Quite the educated ignoramus. This is a horrible decision. Those protest signs became public only because they were so intensely zeroed in on these private people at a moment when they were so privately vulnerable.

Conservative apathy at its worst! Time for one of those clueless Conservatives on the Court to do this country a favor and get lost.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:58 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I don't think any of us are thrilled with this "group" of hatemongers. Maybe this will be the thread where most of us actually agree on something.

However.......I reluctantly agree with the court ruling in favor of free speech......no matter how obnoxious or offensive I myself find their words and behaviour.

The "Church" usually pickets Military Funerals and Gay Funerals...very despicable behaviour IMHO.

And NEWS FLASH.....Sarah Palin and myself are in complete agreement about how we feel regarding WestBoro Baptist.

Please keep in mind that as American citizens; we also have a right to COUNTER PROTEST the members of this "church", wherever and whenever they show up at funerals etcetera.



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I am also in agreement with the decision. It may defy all good taste and common decency, but in the words of Thomas Jefferson "it neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg" and therefore must be tolerated. This is just another form of hate speech that we get from the American NAZI Party or KKK, and that is also protected.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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My opinion of this group - they are certainly not religious; they are school yard bullies in disguise - could not be considered politically correct in any forum, but being p c is not the issue. The problem lies here. Dissent all you will and as loudly as you like, but, If you dilute even of one small corner of the Constitution to weigh favor against that group of bullies. we all lose.

There are other ways to dismantle it such as removing the non-profit status and the status as areligious entity. There is nothing American, Christian or Judeo in its actions as a hate group. What I fear most is that sooner or later this group will push someone unstable over the edge and they will feel the wrath of the agrieved, and innocent people will be harmed.

Where is the Baptist Church on this issue? As one of the first churches in the New World before our nation was formed, it needs to take a stand.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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A disgraceful decision, handed down by a group of people who have not and will never experience what the grieving families if Phelps` victims have experienced.

I only hope I encounter this "reverend" or his followers engaging in such despicable, hateful, and inflammatory behavior someday. Mr. Phelps will wish he had never been born, I assure you.

Bikers revving their engines? Girls dressed up as angels? That`s it? Our troops have fought to ennable this hate-monger to publicly spit on our dead heroes and their families with impunity? What kind of cowardly people have we become in America?

Instead of play-acting, what say we punch their mother-loving lights out and shove their signs up their ask-me-no-questions!!! So you do a month or so in jail for assault. Big deal. It`s worth it to teach them and any other would-be practioners of maggot-brained hatred that THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO SUCH ACTIONS.

If hundreds of Americans simply took matters into their own hands and made it too painful for Phelps and his followers to continue with this nonsense, we`d all be better off. Freedom of speech? You bet. Let`s just remind Fred and his gang that speech comes at the price of broken noses and spitting chiclets.
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:26 AM
 
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The methods used by the Patriot Riders in our town at two funerals about 3 weeks apart was that permission was given them but they had to stay 3 blocks away from the church (same one both times) which probably saved some real conflict. We are a small conservative leaning town in the middle of ranch country and the local cowboys just don't like that bunch.

At the first funeral one of the Phelps women made fun of the size of a woman who was just going to the bank. Well when she picked herself up off the street, the lady didn't like what she said, she was ready to be quiet. It was a beautiful right cross that shut her up.

The second funeral was for a onetime legislator who had been on the Supreme Court of Kansas for about 10 years and was retired. They came to town and every time they cranked up their speaker system the Patriots just gunned their idling cycles and that gets pretty loud on a street where 50 of them are sitting around getting ready to escort the procession. I guess maybe they could have been had by Phelps but he knew it would be a wasterof time since they had the right to ride on that street.

The sight of 50 or those people with the American flags flying trailing the funeral procession is really something worth seeing.
Roys you know I'm not one to mince words and I'd be sure to let them have it right along with the rest of them. Glad they didn't let bullies slide but people going this far out of their way to be a perpetual nuisance- can we send them the bill for all this police escort service? See what I mean?

Additionally I have to say that if the content of what they're saying is so feeble it requires screaming it's a pointless message. That's true of any protest concocted. I absolutely do defend free speech, but not when it's gratuitous to extremes inciting violence. The same distaste I have of right Bill OReilly is the same distaste I had of left Donohue back in the day. Your rights end where mine begin is a very sound social policy that's fair to all, including kids who invariably get caught in the cross fire of irrational entitled adults. Just how far in the attic are parents supposed to keep their kids?

I'd have to admit a significant reason why my feelings are so strong on this issue of common decency standards can be attributed to the fact I've lived through riots. It's needless. Whatever point anyone was trying to make gets lost in the carnage so the real root of strife only buries itself deeper to fester more. Solves nothing, perpetuates animosity, costs billions, costs community, costs lives. Adults need to find better ways to get their point across because whether you realize it or not children are following your lead.
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:51 AM
 
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I too agree with Alito. My God that steely-eyed Conservative Roberts continues to vote his political leanings. Quite the educated ignoramus. This is a horrible decision. Those protest signs became public only because they were so intensely zeroed in on these private people at a moment when they were so privately vulnerable.

Conservative apathy at its worst! Time for one of those clueless Conservatives on the Court to do this country a favor and get lost.
I wouldn't go that far but I have to say being too strict to letter of law but oblivious to the spirit of the law leaves America less just than if we had no law at all. I can't help but feel conservative mindsets are reflexively compelled to make things fit into their boxes and not ever allow themselves to even consider what's being said because they're in defense of something irrelevant.
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