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So if I understand this correctly......Liberals here are just fine with the following:
-The Mayor is elected to REPRESENT the TAXPAYERS
-The Mayor is SUPPOSED to bargain with the unions as the TAXPAYER'S REPRESENTATIVE
-The Mayor is the ONLY PERSON at the bargaining table speaking for the TAXPAYERS
-The Mayor, instead of bargaining FOR the taxpayers to get them the best bargain possible as he's supposed to do, instead writes emails specifically in an effort to STOP getting the best bargain and actually hopes to help the UNION instead.
...and you see NOTHING wrong with that picture at all?
So if I understand this correctly......Liberals here are just fine with the following:
-The Mayor is elected to REPRESENT the TAXPAYERS
-The Mayor is SUPPOSED to bargain with the unions as the TAXPAYER'S REPRESENTATIVE
-The Mayor is the ONLY PERSON at the bargaining table speaking for the TAXPAYERS
-The Mayor, instead of bargaining FOR the taxpayers to get them the best bargain possible as he's supposed to do, instead writes emails specifically in an effort to STOP getting the best bargain and actually hopes to help the UNION instead.
...and you see NOTHING wrong with that picture at all?
Where would you come up with that? A mayor can propose things, but those issues have to be voted on by the city council. Remember? All of them are elected... The same holds true with school board presidents vs. their boards, governors vs. their assemblies, and the president vs. congress.
I would imagine city government creates a bargaining team that includes the people who are experts in their area--the city manager, department heads, the mayor, some of the city council, and whoever else needs to be there, depending on the issue. Anything they do has to be voted on by the city council.
But someone wrote it down and someone published it on a website, so it must be newsworthy, right? I can't believe how often some of the people around here fall for the "someone wrote it down so it must be true" nonsense. It's actually quite stunning.
Yeah! And then a news outlet conducted an investigation. Now, we all know anything about the dems, unions and obama is NOT newsworthy to some.
This story is just another example of how far up the union butt the elected democrats are.
Where would you come up with that? A mayor can propose things, but those issues have to be voted on by the city council. Remember? All of them are elected... The same holds true with school board presidents vs. their boards, governors vs. their assemblies, and the president vs. congress.
I would imagine city government creates a bargaining team that includes the people who are experts in their area--the city manager, department heads, the mayor, some of the city council, and whoever else needs to be there, depending on the issue. Anything they do has to be voted on by the city council.
So you wasted all that time typing drivel that changes nothing.
The MAYOR and his team of negotiators are SUPPOSED to be the ONLY VOICE at the bargaining table representing the TAXPAYERS.
Instead of doing that, the Mayor goes rogue and unilaterally decides to write emails in a SPECIFIC effort to help not the taxpayers, but the union instead.
So you wasted all that time typing drivel that changes nothing.
The MAYOR and his team of negotiators are SUPPOSED to be the ONLY VOICE at the bargaining table representing the TAXPAYERS.
Instead of doing that, the Mayor goes rogue and unilaterally decides to write emails in a SPECIFIC effort to help not the taxpayers, but the union instead.
...and you see nothing at all wrong with that?
The mayor can't pass anything without a vote of the city council. The city council has to agree to whatever is negotiated. Are you really that ignorant about how government works? They ratify the contract. The union has to do the same thing--take the contract to their membership and have a vote over whether they will agree to accept it. If both sides don't agree, they go back to the table, and try to work it out. Pick up a pamphlet on basic civics, will you? Good grief.
One of my sisters has been on her negotiating team with AFT. Management pulls in people as they need them--the people who deal with the issues in the contract that are being discussed. That way someone who actually understands the issues best can discuss them. That's a good thing.
How do you think city budgets get passed to begin with? If there isn't a union, the city council still sets the budget and votes on it. Have you ever voted on a city budget during an election? No. It's done by the city council. You can go to the meetings and testify if you want--you can grab a picket sign and protest your city council too if you don't like their votes, or organize a recall election, but you don't get to directly vote on it.
The mayor can't pass anything without a vote of the city council. The city council has to agree to whatever is negotiated. Are you really that ignorant about how government works? They ratify the contract. The union has to do the same thing--take the contract to their membership and have a vote over whether they will agree to accept it. If both sides don't agree, they go back to the table, and try to work it out. Pick up a pamphlet on basic civics, will you? Good grief.
One of my sisters has been on her negotiating team with AFT. Management pulls in people as they need them--the people who deal with the issues in the contract that are being discussed. That way someone who actually understands the issues best can discuss them. That's a good thing.
Yes, and those on the city council and the mayor - where do they get their political contribution from? The unions? See the problem?
Yes, and those on the city council and the mayor - where do they get their political contribution from? The unions? See the problem?
You have kind of back into it finally.
If they're republicans, do they get them from business that they in turn vote to give tax breaks and incentives to? That's a more direct connection than union dollars, PLUS city council and mayoral races (unless you're dealing with a major city) aren't all that expensive to run to begin with. I highly doubt that a county commissioner in east Egypt Minnesota, or a mayor of a city under a couple hundred thousand (probably closer to a million), is going to be all that concerned about where their campaign contributions come from at election time, since he/she could pretty much self fund, or fund through friends. If you're not paying for TV time, it's not that expensive.
The mayor can't pass anything without a vote of the city council. The city council has to agree to whatever is negotiated. Are you really that ignorant about how government works? They ratify the contract. The union has to do the same thing--take the contract to their membership and have a vote over whether they will agree to accept it. If both sides don't agree, they go back to the table, and try to work it out. Pick up a pamphlet on basic civics, will you? Good grief.
One of my sisters has been on her negotiating team with AFT. Management pulls in people as they need them--the people who deal with the issues in the contract that are being discussed. That way someone who actually understands the issues best can discuss them. That's a good thing.
How do you think city budgets get passed to begin with? Have you ever voted on a city budget during an election? No. It's done by the city council. You can go to the meetings and testify if you want, but you don't get to directly vote on it.
Again...meaningless drivel.
The Mayor, all by himself, decided to write emails that were an attempt to help the union.
With me so far?
The Mayor is NOT supposed to be helping the union, but instead is supposed to be on the side of the taxpayers.
Certainly you MUST see that he couldn't possibly be trying to help the taxpayer's side of things by trying to stall. If he were, he'd not care about stalling at all and in fact would welcome the Governor's bill that would give the taxpayers a better deal.
Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 03-04-2011 at 12:55 PM..
Reason: Deleted personal attack
The emails written by the Mayor would tend to benefit who the most?
a) The taxpayers that elected him
b) The Union
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