Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-03-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
8,802 posts, read 8,896,698 times
Reputation: 4512

Advertisements

Governments cannot, by their nature, create wealth on their own. They owe their existance and functionality from the tax payers. Its the tax payers that pay these salaries and its the taxpayers with whom you are truly bargaining with, it's their money. Surely you can understand the dissatisfaction and lack of support for public sector unions from us productive members of society who work and earn a living.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-03-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Midwest
38,496 posts, read 25,808,661 times
Reputation: 10789
Quote:
Originally Posted by VTHokieFan View Post
Governments cannot, by their nature, create wealth on their own. They owe their existance and functionality from the tax payers. Its the tax payers that pay these salaries and its the taxpayers with whom you are truly bargaining with, it's their money. Surely you can understand the dissatisfaction and lack of support for public sector unions from us productive members of society who work and earn a living.
Why are you against well off tax payers? Are you socialist or something.

"
Quote:
And I couldn't agree more. Rich people don't earn their money."
"In a land where continuous warfare is a national priority … socialism has a great appeal."
"Only misguided fools believe that the rich earned their spot as such."
"Rich people got rich by screwing everyone else. Rich people stay rich by screwing everyone else even harder."

Quote:
The last thing you want to do is to admit that this all may be your fault. Your poverty couldn't possibly have anything to do with your decision to forego college for that great job at the mall. You're also convinced that your decision to hang out with your friends at night instead of getting some more education at the local community college was the right one. Hey! You work hard and deserve your fun, right?
Read more: Why socialists hate rich people Why socialists hate rich people
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
5,872 posts, read 8,092,789 times
Reputation: 2971
Why do Republicans?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 09:57 PM
 
26,680 posts, read 28,665,061 times
Reputation: 7943
Because in order to have a civilized society, government is necessary. You can dream about a libertarian utopia, but it doesn't exist.

Besides, if Republicans didn't believe in taking other people's money, they would fight for eliminating the government entirely, and I don't hear any of them doing that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:00 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
12,372 posts, read 9,310,667 times
Reputation: 7364
Quote:
Originally Posted by VTHokieFan View Post
Governments cannot, by their nature, create wealth on their own. They owe their existance and functionality from the tax payers. Its the tax payers that pay these salaries and its the taxpayers with whom you are truly bargaining with, it's their money. Surely you can understand the dissatisfaction and lack of support for public sector unions from us productive members of society who work and earn a living.
You seem to forget that Democrats are tax payers as well and that Republicans also like services like fire and police protection and schools to send their children to.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:01 PM
 
25,157 posts, read 53,940,301 times
Reputation: 7058
You could ask GM and other corporations that same exact question
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
8,802 posts, read 8,896,698 times
Reputation: 4512
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnUnidentifiedMale View Post
Because in order to have a civilized society, government is necessary. You can dream about a libertarian utopia, but it doesn't exist.

Besides, if Republicans didn't believe in taking other people's money, they would fight for eliminating the government entirely, and I don't hear any of them doing that.
The point I'm making is these public sector unions need to know whose money they are "collectively barganing" for. It isn't the government's or some evil Republican governor's, it's the taxpayers. Teachers in this country are terrible anyway by and large , so its not like they're deserving of high salaries. They work 9 months a year and think they're owed something.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:17 PM
 
Location: NJ
23,548 posts, read 17,219,108 times
Reputation: 17582
Default dems and unions perfect together

Quid pro quo with the unions. Dems come to expect taxpayer money to be filtered to them. Perfect way to get money from taxpayers and union memebers who may not consciously or actively support the Dem candidates chosen by the union elite.

Generations of exchanging favors for taxpayer money have become ingrained and the reason Wisconsin has become such a heated battleground. Both the unions and the Dems lose bigtime if people are given the option to join unions. Both trough feeders will have to go cold turkey.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
8,802 posts, read 8,896,698 times
Reputation: 4512
I went to a private school my whole life. My teachers were paid more and they were better...and about 1/3 of our school went for free because they couldn't afford it. Hmmmm....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-03-2011, 10:48 PM
 
1,168 posts, read 1,244,349 times
Reputation: 912
A lot of people just feel that if government takes it it's not stealing. And from there dozens of arguments come... "the rich wouldn't be rich if it werent for the government and taxes", "everyone has a right to the basic necessities of life", "everyone has a right to the basic necessities of life + 1", "everyone has a right to the basic necessities of life + 1 + 1", "everyone has a right to the basic necessities of life + 1 + 1 + 1", etc.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:55 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top