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Old 03-06-2011, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by ringwise View Post
Corporations are fleeing this country because of out of control regulation by the government. That same government that you want to hand control of this country to? I don't think so.
No they are "fleeing' this country so they don't have to put up with paying a minimum wage, a 40 hour work week, OSHA regulations, etc. They are "fleeing" this country so they can go to the other side of the globe and pay some peasant working in slave conditions half as much in one year as he'd have to pay an American in one week. Yet you make the corporations out to be some victims that are seeking asylum, when in reality they are greedy robber barons seeking to be slave drivers. Globalization is going to be the death of this country and yet people like you fiddle while Rome burns.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Here
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No they are "fleeing' this country so they don't have to put up with paying a minimum wage, a 40 hour work week, OSHA regulations, etc. They are "fleeing" this country so they can go to the other side of the globe and pay some peasant working in slave conditions half as much in one year as he'd have to pay an American in one week. Yet you make the corporations out to be some victims that are seeking asylum, when in reality they are greedy robber barons seeking to be slave drivers. Globalization is going to be the death of this country and yet people like you fiddle while Rome burns.
They are simply trying to stay in business. How are you going to compete with your closest competitors when they are selling the same product for half the price? While it would be great if all these manufacturing jobs could be kept here in the US, the sad fact is, they can't.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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They are simply trying to stay in business. How are you going to compete with your closest competitors when they are selling the same product for half the price? While it would be great if all these manufacturing jobs could be kept here in the US, the sad fact is, they can't.
Like I said, globalization is destroying America.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Capitalism causes a temporary economic boom, followed by a deep depression. Socialism provides slower economic growth, but also prevents deep recessions and depressions.
It also takes the personal incentive out of the equation, which is why it has never, nor ever will work on any level. Look at Greece,they've fallen apart, they are no longer a power.

America is about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, without capitalism, there is no America.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Like I said, globalization is destroying America.
exactly

the progressive liberal globalists are killing this country and the middleclass
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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"I have had it with capitalism"

But capitalism is America's religion. Everything must be sacrificed to capitalism. In America it is important to understand that capitalism is not to serve people, but that people are to serve capitalism, our religion.
Obedience and conformity are two ways to serve this religion.

Capitalism's most important lesson:
The only value this nation has is how much each individual can greedily and selfishly accumulate for himself without any regard for anyone else. America's corporations understand and utilize this lesson, but the average American does not.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:00 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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They will benefit the average American by giving them living-wage jobs and keeping prices of goods at reasonable levels relative to inflation. I'm not calling for reduced competition -- that's what capitalism does (monopoly), I'm calling for increased competition (private vs. public).

I don't think of people as "consumers." There's so much more to a human being than her capacity to consume.
That maybe true, but the power of the people is the power backed by the consumer markets. We are the controlling power.

Many people don't realize it, but use to a boycott was successful in reducing prices of products. (I know folks don't realize it, because the flexing of our muscle would have been done along time ago)

Around 1970 sugar prices at the grocery were outrageous. People stopped buying sugar, and went to alternative sweeteners. The price on sugar went back down.

We don't boycott any more. We want our cake and eat it to, today. We tossed the American dream and have become the American brat. We will not adjust our life style, but choose to complain and whine about it instead.

One example: Fuel prices (tax) go up. We don't boycott it. Much more convenient to pay the higher prices (tax) and complain than to think of ways to reduce those prices (taxes). Ways, that we control. No one wants to walk to work, to school, or take a bus or a train, no one wants to car pool. We want our one per person car and less fuel prices.

If a mass of people would adjust their purchases in a way to promote the desired change, consumer prices would change and go down. We can force the corporates to go broke, through boycott. (that would take all Americans to agree and that's not happening) Yet we want it both ways, we can't have it, but we want it, just the same. The change would not be instantaneous. How long would we have to endure?---well that's too long.

The American brat---long shall she live, complaining to ma and pa government, fix it, so we don't have to. Or we are accepting, being spoon fed, of what our government reasons are as to why we haven't change in our pockets at the end of the day.

We have buried our head in the sand and turned a blind eye to the ever growing government and now we complain that capitalism is the problem. Ever think, this is what the government wanted to begin with and we the people fell for it, hook, line, and sinking away...We give to the government all of our power and then sit in wonder---what happened? The government can't manage to organize shoes in a shoe closet, but we look to them to solve our problems, just the same.

The parliament power the founding fathers fled from, how funny for us, we changed it back.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Corporations are only beholden to the shareholders, period. They take the risk of their capital potentially being lost. If you care to join a company via employment, then you will be compensated by a dually agreed upon amount for helping the shareholders profit. If you would also like to share in the actual profits of the corporation, become a shareholder. There is nothing sinister in that arrangement.
This is exactly why corporations are unethical and evil. Personally, I think corporations shouldn't exist.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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That maybe true, but the power of the people is the power backed by the consumer markets. We are the controlling power.

Many people don't realize it, but use to a boycott was successful in reducing prices of products. (I know folks don't realize it, because the flexing of our muscle would have been done along time ago)

Around 1970 sugar prices at the grocery were outrageous. People stopped buying sugar, and went to alternative sweeteners. The price on sugar went back down.

We don't boycott any more. We want our cake and eat it to, today. We tossed the American dream and have become the American brat. We will not adjust our life style, but choose to complain and whine about it instead.

One example: Fuel prices (tax) go up. We don't boycott it. Much more convenient to pay the higher prices (tax) and complain than to think of ways to reduce those prices (taxes). Ways, that we control. No one wants to walk to work, to school, or take a bus or a train, no one wants to car pool. We want our one per person car and less fuel prices.

If a mass of people would adjust their purchases in a way to promote the desired change, consumer prices would change and go down. We can force the corporates to go broke, through boycott. (that would take all Americans to agree and that's not happening) Yet we want it both ways, we can't have it, but we want it, just the same. The change would not be instantaneous. How long would we have to endure?---well that's too long.

The American brat---long shall she live, complaining to ma and pa government, fix it, so we don't have to. Or we are accepting, being spoon fed, of what our government reasons are as to why we haven't change in our pockets at the end of the day.

We have buried our head in the sand and turned a blind eye to the ever growing government and now we complain that capitalism is the problem. Ever think, this is what the government wanted to begin with and we the people fell for it, hook, line, and sinking away...We give to the government all of our power and then sit in wonder---what happened? The government can't manage to organize shoes in a shoe closet, but we look to them to solve our problems, just the same.

The parliament power the founding fathers fled from, how funny for us, we changed it back.
I don't buy the conservative line that the government is the enemy. The corporations are the enemy. The government is (in theory) of the people, by the people and FOR the people. Today, it's more like "of the rich, by the rich and for the rich."

I think we should throw out the free market system, not try to manipulate it through boycotts.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Visvaldis View Post
"I have had it with capitalism"

But capitalism is America's religion. Everything must be sacrificed to capitalism. In America it is important to understand that capitalism is not to serve people, but that people are to serve capitalism, our religion.
Obedience and conformity are two ways to serve this religion.

Capitalism's most important lesson:
The only value this nation has is how much each individual can greedily and selfishly accumulate for himself without any regard for anyone else. America's corporations understand and utilize this lesson, but the average American does not.
we (the USA) dont have capitolism..we have corporatism,,which is fascism...which is socialism with a capitolistic veneer

we havent had capitolism in over 60 years
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