I have had it with capitalism (Kennedy, Edwards, New Jersey, discrimination)

[northstar22]

Originally Posted by hilgi

It is interesting how the left (especially former hippies) have changed.

"Sign Sign everywhere a sign
Blocking out the scenery breaking my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign "

All of those things you mentioned are for control, not for reduced harm.

I wasn't even around during the 1960s or 70s. I'm not a former hippie.

[hilgi]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

I wasn't even around during the 1960s or 70s. I'm not a former hippie.

I am not saying you were, just their legacy, the current crop of leftists. The current left (and right) have a very authoritarian streak. The old left were not like that.

[marcopolo]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

More stereotypical far-right claptrap. The poor are lazy, blah, blah, blah. I used to think the same thing (when I was a conservative) before I actually met people who were less fortunate. Get out and meet some real poor people--you might change your mind.

You are right, some people are less fortunate. But I have always found the harder I work, the luckier I get.

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by hilgi

I am not saying you were, just their legacy, the current crop of leftists. The current left (and right) have a very authoritarian streak. The old left were not like that.

Hate to tell you, but the Right is in charge and has been for 30 years or so.
**Authoritarianism is the very essence of the right-wing mentality. You must be listening to Hannity (who at one point read off the dictionary definition of "liberal" claiming it as attributes of conservatism). Look it up. Of course his listeners wouldn't know the difference.
**Limbaugh btw says the dictionary is wrong (I'm sure his fans are anxiously awaiting the total rewrite)!
**Old vs new liberal? Where did this come from, a new Fox shtick? How about old vs new conservative (honest business vs neo-con plutocracy)?

[hilgi]

Originally Posted by detwahDJ

Hate to tell you, but the Right is in charge and has been for 30 years or so.
**Authoritarianism is the very essence of the right-wing mentality. You must be listening to Hannity (who at one point read off the dictionary definition of "liberal" claiming it as attributes of conservatism). Look it up. Of course his listeners wouldn't know the difference.
**Limbaugh btw says the dictionary is wrong (I'm sure his fans are anxiously awaiting the total rewrite)!
**Old vs new liberal? Where did this come from, a new Fox shtick? How about old vs new conservative (honest business vs neo-con plutocracy)?

I hate to tell you but if you believe that the left and right are against each other, they have fooled you very well.

I don't recognize you so I will give you the benefit of the doubt for barking up the wrong tree with the pep rally left/right personalities of politics B.S. Keep your playbook talking points stuff for the other guys.

Anyone who wants to control others is an authoritarian, both left and right are. They just have you fooled.

Back in the old days the left were compassionate regarding social issues, not now, they want just as much control but they may do it with a compassionate smile.

If all you can do is use buzz words and try and pigeonhole people with "Hannity this and Rush that" you won't be getting replies from me. The bottom of the barrel of political discourse is parroting one side or the others play book, especially when all you can do is discus the annoying talking heads for the other team. Talk about boring.

[detwahDJ]

Originally Posted by hilgi

I hate to tell you but if you believe that the left and right are against each other, they have fooled you very well.

The ideologies ARE against each other - always have been.

I don't recognize you so I will give you the benefit of the doubt for barking up the wrong tree with the pep rally left/right personalities of politics B.S. Keep your playbook talking points stuff for the other guys.

Keep in mind the right-wing pep rallies have been going on for 30+ years. Limbaugh created the great Liberal-Conservative Divide. Before Limbaugh this great divide did not exist. He made things simple for a certain frightened, suspicious mentality (now his followers). Opposing "liberal" views have not been heard until recently. The left of Limbaugh is NOT liberal. It includes moderates. BTW don't say these are buzzwords, they have meaning.

Anyone who wants to control others is an authoritarian, both left and right are. They just have you fooled.

You're saying the desire for authority is in everyone, being pursued by everyone, and nobody has the will power to keep it in check.

Back in the old days the left were compassionate regarding social issues, not now, they want just as much control but they may do it with a compassionate smile.

Not true. That's just what Fox etal say to keep you in line. Have you bought into this? The "evil liberal" is exactly a Fox buzzword.
BTW haven't you noticed that big money is really in control, and always favors Republicans? Why would the super-wealthy favor them? The "best Americans" we can presume.

If all you can do is use buzz words and try and pigeonhole people with "Hannity this and Rush that" you won't be getting replies from me.

Well first of all this thread really isn't my cup of tea. It is emotionally charged and repetitive. It rehashes the same stuff as umpteen other threads.
But Hannity, Rush etal are not "buzzwords", they are spokesmen for a plutocratic point of view which many people take seriously. That's a concern for democracy and America as it "used to be".

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by ajsmith365

Ringwise, I'd like to reciprocate those feels. First off, taking the government out of the equation because - as most have stated on this thread - the government and capitalism are two totally separate things. Second, there's no charge for information; City Data is a good example of that. There's a bunch of people giving free advice on CD. So, something as simple as teaching someone how to eat healthy and give healthy cooking recipes or exercise tips takes a lot of government red tape and money to do? You can't just post it on the Internet in a thread, start a blog on one of the many blog sites or create an e-book and make it readily available? The same goes for any information; all it takes is time.

If you remove money out of the equation, you mean to tell me that not one of the 6 billion people on this earth would be productive?

I think you are reaching on so many levels. Additionally, I think you are a little p--sed off because I respectfully disagreed and stated that you were "out of line", which you were and which you are in stating in your humble opinion that I don't know what I am talking about.

Every creature does need motivation; I will agree to some extent. But, unlike you, not everyone is self-loathing or materialistic. Some people do things for other ignorant and barbaric reasons...like empathy, compassion, or just for the sake of challenging oneself to see if they can do it. Not everyone climbs a mountain to get an endorsement. Some people actually mountain climb for the rush, to challenge themselves, or just because they got tired of sitting in the house and playing Playstation all day. Others actually get enlightened from their experience and maybe figure out something about the human body and get so excited that they learned something about themselves and the human body that they actually share that information for free. Tell me you haven't gotten so excited that you learned how to fix a flat tire or install some software that you passed that information on "just because".

There's nothing wrong with you thinking that you "own" land; I'd just like to see you take it with you when you part this earthly world (please note, I wish you a long, happy and prosperous lifetime).

In summary, I think I do know what I am talking about and I think that you are off-base or maybe mixing your topics up. As an example:

1) Google gives away plenty of free information in the form of a free search engine (at least, free for consumers and costly for advertisers)

2) I just watched a youtube video where someone gave me free advice on how to change my in-cabin air filter. Nissan wanted to charge me $98 bucks to do so, I did it for $5 (the cost of the air-filter @ autozone after watching the video)

3) I just learned how to build a deck and do some good plumbing and electrical from youtube, the Internet and DIY/HGTV

4) The government has these places called libraries that allow me to access the Internet and do all of this stuff if my personal Internet is not working or if I could not afford the Internet. By the way, their books are free, too. I can borrow them and return them for the next person to use. But, some of us hate socialism, so I'll move on to my next example

5) I first got introduced to City Data because a lot of users were giving me and my wife free advice on relocating to Raleigh, NC and what areas to move to and what schools are great. I even started a thread about problems with my Nissan Murano and got a lot of free advice

You see, there's a bunch of people not motivated by making a buck; it's just unfortunate that you don't seem to know any of them. Most disappointing is that you, in fact, can't seem to understand that.

You're not understanding me. I'm not saying that people may not take the time to discover a cure. My point was that it would never reach the masses because someone would have to spend the money to have it tested by the over-reaching government. They have to regulate/control everything, and it costs coin.

As for the cost of time - as someone who's asset is time, you're darn straight you're going to pay me for my time. All it takes is time......sheesh.

Ahhh.....Libs. They say you're "out of line" then, proceed to imply that you're self-loathing or materialistic, and lacking in empathy and compassion. See, I call that conversation. But Libs are a little sensitive.

1. Yes, there is information on the web. 95% of it is crap, dangerous or downright useless.

2. OK, so you watched a video. But it wasn't free. You pay for internet, and someone has to pay to publish YouTube. There are also advertisers on the page.

3. See #2.

4. Libraries aren't free. They're paid for with taxes. You know, money taken from taxpayers?

I agree that there's lots of free "advice" out there. But I think I'll take my cure for cancer from someone that didn't post the video on YouTube.

[alphamale]

Originally Posted by kazoopilot

More stereotypical far-right claptrap. The poor are lazy, blah, blah, blah. I used to think the same thing (when I was a conservative) before I actually met people who were less fortunate. Get out and meet some real poor people--you might change your mind.

Nah.

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by ajsmith365

Hey, ringwise, here is an example of a fine human being teaching you a basic survival skill - for free. Seems as though they (he and the camerawoman) were motivated by sheer knowledge sharing or a need to see everyone know how to make a fire. One poster even commented, and I quote "Great vid. Had success in starting a fire like this for the first time the other night. Was f*ck!ng over the moon........Took ALOT longer than this though. Cool post and peace out.

You might want to hold onto this one in case Nibiru screws us up on 12/21/2012 and you happen to survive, or our government takes away electricity and natural gas. But, knowing you, you are going to want to pay someone for the stick, wood block and juniper bark


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70I9FbvwQdQ

OK, so I can build a fire (didn't watch the video, since my dad already taught me that one.) But I really don't want my doctor to learn his craft on the internet.

Really?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by Kirdik

So you don't like to own stuff therefore you're not hollow and superficial?

No, they're just self-righteous.