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Old 03-08-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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I stated, very clearly as a matter of fact, what I find problematic about that. If the great State of New Hampshire and the majority of its citizens are happy with that arrangement, then so be it. If not, the change is gonna come. Time will tell.

It is easy for people to vote. It is PAINFULLY easy. What is difficult is that people cannot be bothered to make a minimal effort to do much of anything except complain, complain, complain, and then find a scapegoat- any scapegoat- to puke out more blame rather than engage in a bit of self-examination.

Get off yer arses and vote already!
I tried to register for an absentee ballot in the last election and it was surprisingly difficult, and I wound up not being able to get it because of a combination of bureaucratic snafus and a minor mistake on my part. I'm glad I was actually able to be in town for election day, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to vote at all in November.

What you find problematic about it, I don't find problematic at all. I think that's the core of our disagreement here.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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I tried to register for an absentee ballot in the last election and it was surprisingly difficult, and I wound up not being able to get it because of a combination of bureaucratic snafus and a minor mistake on my part. I'm glad I was actually able to be in town for election day, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to vote at all in November.

What you find problematic about it, I don't find problematic at all. I think that's the core of our disagreement here.
So you could not get an absentee ballot for presumably where you are from- District A, yet you went and voted in District B, where you presumably go to school?

You are thus registered in two different places? Is that the case?

I reckon that is Fraud.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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So you could not get an absentee ballot for presumably where you are from- District A, yet you went and voted in District B, where you presumably go to school?

You are thus registered in two different places? Is that the case?

I reckon that is Fraud.
No, I could not get an absentee ballot from District A, but I went and voted in District A because I happened to be in town that day anyway.

I'm getting really sick of these strawmen arguments from anybody who opposes the NH bill accusing people of committing voter fraud, or encouraging voter fraud, or being in favor of it.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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No, I could not get an absentee ballot from District A, but I went and voted in District A because I happened to be in town that day anyway.

I'm getting really sick of these strawmen arguments from anybody who opposes the NH bill accusing people of committing voter fraud, or encouraging voter fraud, or being in favor of it.
I see. Thank you for the clarification. I did not accuse, but rather asked and am now retracting.

Don't sweat it. I have moved around a bit and would be registered in multiple locations- two a few minutes drive from one another- had I not formally requested that I be struck from the system.

Elections are characterized by disorganization, laziness, and blame games. Florida 2000 was a prime example- people showing up to the wrong district and screaming bloody murder.

Some order is needed.
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Old 03-08-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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I stated, very clearly as a matter of fact, what I find problematic about that. If the great State of New Hampshire and the majority of its citizens are happy with that arrangement, then so be it. If not, the change is gonna come. Time will tell.

It is easy for people to vote. It is PAINFULLY easy. What is difficult is that people cannot be bothered to make a minimal effort to do much of anything except complain, complain, complain, and then find a scapegoat- any scapegoat- to puke out more blame rather than engage in a bit of self-examination.

Get off yer arses and vote already!
Actually, you are just trying to reframe the argument.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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What about the hundreds of thousands of military suppressed in the 2004 and again in the 2008 elections? Hundreds of thousand were stopped from voting and would have prevented a ton of Democrats who were elected by that.
Really?

Military votes are subject to state regulations that would be the result of GOP as well as Democratic actions. And I'm sure some military folks didn't get their votes in. But you better have something to back up your "hundreds of thousands" claim.

Some Military Votes May Not Be Counted : NPR

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80% at least of the military do not vote Democrat.
Any other "facts" you'd care to just make up?

"These Military Times survey results show that support for the Republican Party among senior members of the Army, the group most likely to identify as Republican, declined significantly between 2004 and 2006 before leveling off at about 49% in 2007."

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Then, we do need to require a photo ID to vote as we have to when you buy a $3 meal at Taco Bell.
We also need to purge voter roles every two years to get rid of the false voting going on as well.
Dead and non-people vote all the time in some places.

I think we should just start with common sense and go from there.

You first.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Actually, you are just trying to reframe the argument.
Which one?

There are multiple arguments running rampant on this thread- Residency, Constitutional conformity, Apathy, Laziness, Conspiracies, the GOP are evil vampires, the Democrats are corrupt, what constitutes a community, and so on and so on.

To reframe anything, I would have to stand in line.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:16 AM
 
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Which one?

There are multiple arguments running rampant on this thread- Residency, Constitutional conformity, Apathy, Laziness, Conspiracies, the GOP are evil vampires, the Democrats are corrupt, what constitutes a community, and so on and so on.

To reframe anything, I would have to stand in line.
Actually, you may be engaged in multiple arguments, but this thread is about the GOP putting impediments in the way of voters. It doesn't matter how small the impediment is. A poll tax could be a mere quarter. In this country, where voting is not mandatory, the efforts of the government should be to get voters to vote, not to get in the way of voters voting.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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It is impressive that this thread has enjoyed a forty page run, based on the snippet of a sentence it was based upon. I read it as a rule, one that could make things difficult for voting in some elections, but not something opressive or discriminatory in it's nature.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Actually, you may be engaged in multiple arguments, but this thread is about the GOP putting impediments in the way of voters. It doesn't matter how small the impediment is. A poll tax could be a mere quarter. In this country, where voting is not mandatory, the efforts of the government should be to get voters to vote, not to get in the way of voters voting.
Yea your theme was the GOP are evil vampires. Gotcha. Pick up your check on the way out.
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