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Old 03-08-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Not only not the "best letter ever," not even a good letter.
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As you know, this legislation is designed to finally balance the state budget, prevent layoffs and create jobs in the real world. There are hundreds of thousands of unemployed or underemployed Wisconsinites, and at least 1,500 more whose jobs are in the balance because of your media stunt.
Characterizing the Democrats as staging a media stunt is not only offensive, it's wrong. Like the Senate filibuster on the federal level, this is the recourse Wisconsin has allowed for as a way for the minority party to stand against a bill they think is a bad bill.
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We all deserve better than this.
Too bad you don't think state workers deserve better than "this". "This" being used as pawns in your stunt to strip them of their right to collective bargaining.
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In the meantime, members of your caucus have been meeting with the governor’s staff,
This is a bad thing? How?
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talking to the media
You and Governor Backstabber aren't?
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trying to find a way back to Madison
This is a bad thing? Why?
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and contradicting your message in public.
Nonsense.
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In case you don’t remember, you were present yourself at one of those meetings with the governor’s staff. Your grasp of reality,
How condescending. Very mature for an elected official.
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and control of your caucus as minority leader, continues to amaze me.
Your lack of imagination isn't the problem of your Democratic colleagues.
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As you know, your opportunity to compromise and amend the bill was on the floor of the state Senate.
No it wasn't. No amendments were going to be allowed.
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As you know, you forfeited that right and opportunity when you decided to flee the state
No they didn't.
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instead of doing your job.
They're doing their job, representing their constituents, as well as a large majority of your constituents, by exercising an option available to them in your own body's rules. If you'd recognize this fact, it would go a long way towards resolving this problem.
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Your stubbornness in trying to ignore the last election
What does the last election have to do with this? No one in the last election voted in any Republicans on the promise that they'd break the backs of unions. None. Because not a one of you ran on that platform. Not only that, even if the last election indicated that a majority who showed up to vote wanted reform that they thought Republicans could bring, that doesn't mean they want this reform, so their vote in November is utterly meaningless when it comes to this issue. A majority in your state want you to accept the concessions made by the union workers and drop the removal of collective bargaining rights, which so far you've failed to agree to. So who's grandstanding?
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and protect the broken status quo is truly shameful.
They're not doing this to protect the status quo, opposing all change and you damn well know it. What's shameful is your failure to acknowledge that and work with the Democrats to hammer out a reasonable compromise. You think you got a mandate to do whatever the hell you want. Senate Democrats are letting you know in no uncertain terms that you didn't and you don't.
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While we wait for you and your colleagues to finally show up, Senate Republicans continue to stand ready to do the job we were elected to do, here in Wisconsin.
No you don't. You stand ready to do the bidding of the Governor, who's doing the bidding of the Koch brothers, not that of the People of Wisconsin.
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I hope you are enjoying your vacation, and your vacation from reality.
It's you who are steadfastly refusing to live in reality. Reality is that your constituents don't support what you're trying to do. Reality is that a majority of your constituents are behind the Democrats in this case.

The only part of your rude and completely-void-of-facts letter, is that I, too, hope the Democrats are enjoying their time away.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: North America
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Not only not the "best letter ever," not even a good letter.
Characterizing the Democrats as staging a media stunt is not only offensive, it's wrong. Like the Senate filibuster on the federal level, this is the recourse Wisconsin has allowed for as a way for the minority party to stand against a bill they think is a bad bill. Too bad you don't think state workers deserve better than "this". "This" being used as pawns in your stunt to strip them of their right to collective bargaining. This is a bad thing? How? You and Governor Backstabber aren't? This is a bad thing? Why? Nonsense. How condescending. Very mature for an elected official. Your lack of imagination isn't the problem of your Democratic colleagues. No it wasn't. No amendments were going to be allowed. No they didn't. They're doing their job, representing their constituents, as well as a large majority of your constituents, by exercising an option available to them in your own body's rules. If you'd recognize this fact, it would go a long way towards resolving this problem. What does the last election have to do with this? No one in the last election voted in any Republicans on the promise that they'd break the backs of unions. None. Because not a one of you ran on that platform. Not only that, even if the last election indicated that a majority who showed up to vote wanted reform that they thought Republicans could bring, that doesn't mean they want this reform, so their vote in November is utterly meaningless when it comes to this issue. A majority in your state want you to accept the concessions made by the union workers and drop the removal of collective bargaining rights, which so far you've failed to agree to. So who's grandstanding? They're not doing this to protect the status quo, opposing all change and you damn well know it. What's shameful is your failure to acknowledge that and work with the Democrats to hammer out a reasonable compromise. You think you got a mandate to do whatever the hell you want. Senate Democrats are letting you know in no uncertain terms that you didn't and you don't. No you don't. You stand ready to do the bidding of the Governor, who's doing the bidding of the Koch brothers, not that of the People of Wisconsin. It's you who are steadfastly refusing to live in reality. Reality is that your constituents don't support what you're trying to do. Reality is that a majority of your constituents are behind the Democrats in this case.

The only part of your rude and completely-void-of-facts letter, is that I, too, hope the Democrats are enjoying their time away.

Excellent response. Blows mine the hell out of the water.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A majority in your state want you to accept the concessions made by the union workers and drop the removal of collective bargaining rights
Hmmm... Where's the poll that says WI taxpayers want the union-owned insurance company to keep overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year?
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume18/Vol18no1.pdf

Have the Dems told the taxpayers that what they're actually fighting for is the union bosses' right to keep pocketing $100 million of the taxpayers' money per year in overcharges?
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Hmmm... Where's the poll that says WI taxpayers want the union-owned insurance company to keep overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year?
We give up. Where is it?

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Have the Dems told the taxpayers that what they're actually fighting for is the union bosses' right to keep pocketing $100 million of the taxpayers' money per year in overcharges?
No. probably because it's not true.
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Old 03-08-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
We give up. Where is it?
You tell us. The libs seem to think there's public support for the union bosses to keep pocketing $100 million of the taxpayers' money in overcharges for union-owned health insurance.


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No. probably because it's not true.
It's pretty clear to everyone that the Dems are desperately trying to help... yep, the very same union that's overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You tell us.
I just told you... we can't. You seem to believe there is one, though. Why else would you keep asking for it?

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The libs seem to think there's public support for the union bosses to keep pocketing $100 million of the taxpayers' money in overcharges for union-owned health insurance.
Oh no. That straw man is entirely of your manufacture. Nobody else appears to be making a claim that is anywhere close.

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It's pretty clear to everyone that the Dems are desperately trying to help... yep, the very same union that's overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year.
When exactly did you become "everyone?"
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Excellent response. Blows mine the hell out of the water.
Yours was also an excellent response. They always have to have a scapegoat, don't they.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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We give up. Where is it?


No. probably because it's not true.
It is true. The union has their very own insurance company, where they FORCE members to buy their plans, with inflated costs that could save $68 million if the monopoly is broken.

Tell me you've heard of this?
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by MaseMan View Post
How condescending. This part is really funny:

and create jobs in the real world

Is he saying public sector employees don't have real jobs, or don't do real work? Just shows how divisive the GOP mentality really is.

Scott Fitzgerald is my state senator. I've written him twice regarding my concerns over the budget repair bill. His office never bothered to respond with even a form letter. I will personally be devoting myself to ensure he does not win re-election when his term is up.
I really love the way you quote without regard to context to make Fitzgerald look bad. Typical Alinskite method.
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Sounds no different from some of the posts on this board, more lies, insults and whining, the things the right has become expert at.
Casper
So you agree with that lib method of quoting out of context? It excites me to see you admit that you do.
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