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Old 03-09-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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The local electorate should be empowered rather than an unelected, autocratic appointee by the governor. That is taking power away from the people.
The people elected the governor, a potentially significant fact you may have overlooked.
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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The local electorate should be empowered rather than an unelected, autocratic appointee by the governor. That is taking power away from the people.
No it doesnt.. it just changes where the power is derived from.. Are you telling me the people dont vote for governors?
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yep, democrats will sweep the house, senate, presidency and all governors running for reelection. All you got to do is wait for 18 months and everything will be exactly as it was.

//Sarcasm Off

Bused in Union members paid to be there, will sure bring the numbers into the protest.

It doesn't hold a candle to the Patriots that protested and had a revolution Nov. 2nd, 2010.
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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The vote of the people will be, in effect, rendered meaningless. They can vote in a new Governor, new local officials, but the damage will have been done. The EMF control takes effect for as much as 5 years after the EMF leaves office. They also have the power to void existing city contracts, which means the EMF can choose to write new contracts with corporations of their choice without voter input, contracts which could be even longer than 5 years. Its another corporate grab for money with the intent to render our vote meaningless. Whether Democrats or Republicans are doing this is not the point. It should not be done in a free society.

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[i]mposition of new agreements for those bargaining units which will have effect for as much as five years after the EMF leaves office and the ability for the manager to dissolve local governing bodies of schools and cities. The EMF would also have the power to eliminate any local ordinance or law he or she decides to eliminate.
taken from here (http://michiganmessenger.com/47158/emergency-financial-manager-bill-on-the-verge-of-passage - broken link)
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The vote of the people will be, in effect, rendered meaningless. They can vote in a new Governor, new local officials, but the damage will have been done. The EMF control takes effect for as much as 5 years after the EMF leaves office. They also have the power to void existing city contracts, which means the EMF can choose to write new contracts with corporations of their choice without voter input, contracts which could be even longer than 5 years. Its another corporate grab for money with the intent to render our vote meaningless. Whether Democrats or Republicans are doing this is not the point. It should not be done in a free society.

taken from here (http://michiganmessenger.com/47158/emergency-financial-manager-bill-on-the-verge-of-passage - broken link)
I agree. This long term effects will take power, control, and choice away from the voters and displace it to the governor. Without checks and balances of power, we provide a fertile environment for a dictatorship type of governance.
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Old 03-09-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I agree. This long term effects will take power, control, and choice away from the voters and displace it to the governor. Without checks and balances of power, we provide a fertile environment for a dictatorship type of governance.
But it was ok when the Dem Governor did it ?
Now that the Governor is a Repub it's not ok ?

If the cities refuse to balance their budgets it is the responsibility of the state to step in and take over.

It was done in NYS when they took over the finances of Nassau county in Long Island. The county refused to balance their budget.

Wake up...cities and states are going broke and are refusing to face reality.
They are not going to get any handouts this year from the FedGov.
That stimulus money last year only kicked the can down the road.

The Libs and Dems need to learn a new word..CUTS.
Austerity has hit the US shores whether you like it or not.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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The Dems don't have a problem with the word "cuts." The question is how and what is being cut and what power is being transferred. The Republican Governors are cutting voters off at the knees and over stepping their authority, by giving more money to corporations in the form tax cuts while at the same time taking those moneys from the workers. They are taking away the rights of Americans. As I said, I don't agree with these tactics no matter which party is doing it.

When you have a problem, there is more than one way to solve it. Giving all the power to the Governor to not fund cities because he gave tax breaks to his buddy corporations, then set up EMF administrators to run the cities over budget, eliminating the cities contracts and elected officials, and mandating new contracts without the consent of the people is just plain wrong.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Dems don't have a problem with the word "cuts." The question is how and what is being cut and what power is being transferred. The Republican Governors are cutting voters off at the knees and over stepping their authority, by giving more money to corporations in the form tax cuts while at the same time taking those moneys from the workers. They are taking away the rights of Americans. As I said, I don't agree with these tactics no matter which party is doing it.

When you have a problem, there is more than one way to solve it. Giving all the power to the Governor to not fund cities because he gave tax breaks to his buddy corporations, then set up EMF administrators to run the cities over budget, eliminating the cities contracts and elected officials, and mandating new contracts without the consent of the people is just plain wrong.
But the Dem Governor doing the same thing was ok by you ?
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The people elected the governor, a potentially significant fact you may have overlooked.
They elected a governor, not a power-grabbing, government-building police state, dictator!
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Old 03-10-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Gone
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The people elected the governor, a potentially significant fact you may have overlooked.
And the People will remove him at the earliest opportunity, watch and see.
Casper
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