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Old 12-11-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What does Right to Work for Less do in states which adopt them? Oh right, workers become poorer:

' One careful study conducted by Hofstra’s Lonnie Stevans in 2007 found that right-to-work laws do help boost the number of businesses in a state — but the gains mostly went to owners, while average wages went down. ”Although right-to-work states may be more attractive to business,” Stevans concludes, “this does not necessarily translate into enhanced economic verve in the right-to-work state if there is little ‘trickle-down’ from business owners to the non-unionized workers.”'

What do ‘right-to-work’ laws do to a state’s economy?
The Toyota workers in Tenn seem happy enough with their salaries.

Go unionize the fast food workers and promise them $15/hour.
I hear NYC is ripe for the picking

 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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stanglehold..thats good,like the stranglehold the repubs put on the working class,while getting on their knees and suckling their corporate pimps,understand this,it was unions that built the middle class in this country,not repubs or corporations,it is unions that push to keep the playing field even,not the repubs,and in a strange coincedence,as the unions shrink so does the middle class,mirror image.
So why is Michigan i the moeny with all thsoe payig taxes?The fact is that they milked the cow dry which is never a good idea and hurts alot of other when they complete the milking.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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The Toyota workers in Tenn seem happy enough with their salaries.

Go unionize the fast food workers and promise them $15/hour.
I hear NYC is ripe for the picking
What is it about plutocracy that you like? What do you see as advantages over a strong middle class?
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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SO proud of our unions!!
As you should be... Michigan has both the highest unionization and the highest unemployment rates in the Midwest.

Go unions!

Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Default Michigan workers jam state Capitol to stand up for their rights

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These protests are spreading. Let's hope it continues.

Michigan workers jam Capitol to protest union plan | Reuters
Your thread indicates a topic of 'standing up for their rights'. I've viewed the link and nowhere is there mention of standing up for one's rights.

So what rights is it to which you are referring? Or did you really just mean the right to whine about a legislative process. And in general just act like the goons they want people to know they can be?

They already have the right to work. Any competent citizen has that right. Now they have the right to work without having to pay for that right.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:45 PM
 
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What right did they lose?
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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stanglehold..thats good,like the stranglehold the repubs put on the working class,while getting on their knees and suckling their corporate pimps,understand this,it was unions that built the middle class in this country,not repubs or corporations,it is unions that push to keep the playing field even,not the repubs,and in a strange coincedence,as the unions shrink so does the middle class,mirror image.
Grow up with the kiddie language, this is not the OWS thread....

The time for unions has come and left a long time ago...

 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I'm liberal and I'm kind of anti-union.
 
Old 12-11-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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A bit...late, don't you think?

The unions do not have the support of the people behind them, else you'd see many more protesters, not just a 1000 union members.

I agree though, let's hope the GOP controlled states break the monopoly of the union stranglehold, which is causing a sea of red ink in the states.

Change is GOOD.
Why don't unions have more support? Is it simply because people without unionized jobs have gotten too fed up with union workers having much higher pay and better benefits?
 
Old 12-11-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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At one time there was about 40% union participation in Michigan. Today, that figure stands at ~17%. Prediction says it will dissipate to half that in the next 18 months. RTW states is where the job growth has been, though even that has been blunted by the effects of nafta in rtw states.
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