Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-09-2011, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
11,449 posts, read 14,464,213 times
Reputation: 4777

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
What?
I've had three mortgages in my life. I paid them off, as I would with any other debt and now own my homes free and clear.
Are you saying that you don't get to choose your debt?
I'm confused here; your posted paranoid screed doesn't make sense.

What he's saying is check out goldline...they rock.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-10-2011, 06:43 AM
 
3,264 posts, read 5,590,729 times
Reputation: 1395
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocLot View Post
It always give me a chuckle when folks with a mortgage say they own their home. Amazing how when the mortgage isn't paid that it turns out to be nothing more than a glorified house rental.

I currently rent the house I live in.
since you rent, you can't sell your home for a profit, whereas folks with a mortgage can, if they try
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 06:49 AM
 
3,264 posts, read 5,590,729 times
Reputation: 1395
Post yknow i just had to look it up :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by vkhmini View Post
Sounds about right, since the original translation of the word "mortgage" might be something like "death grip".
lol you got me curious
Quote:
From Anglo-Norman mortgage, Middle French mortgage, from Old French mort gage (“dead pledge”), after Latin mortuum vadium.
source: wiktionary.org
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 06:59 AM
 
7,214 posts, read 9,392,923 times
Reputation: 7803
I recall hearing a statistic that around 30% of Americans do in fact own their own homes out right, so some people do indeed own something.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:06 AM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,096,009 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by grimace8 View Post
i think the op is saying for everyone to pay like normal but to know the 'reality' of this n that. the 'reality', as defined by him/her, is we don't own anythign. well, i think the op is saying that
Then who owns the things that I have paid off? Does this mean when I collect rental income on those items I should be giving it to someone else? Who? I wouldnt want to be keeping money that doesnt belong to me..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:08 AM
 
69,368 posts, read 64,096,009 times
Reputation: 9383
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChocLot View Post
It always give me a chuckle when folks with a mortgage say they own their home. Amazing how when the mortgage isn't paid that it turns out to be nothing more than a glorified house rental.
Clearly an individual who has a mortgage on a property still owns their home.. Do they not enjoy the benefits from it? Can they not rent it out, can they not live there, sleep there? Just because you owe someone else money and you have pledged your home as collateral, it doesnt mean you dont own it..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:13 AM
 
3,264 posts, read 5,590,729 times
Reputation: 1395
Quote:
Originally Posted by pghquest View Post
Then who owns the things that I have paid off? Does this mean when I collect rental income on those items I should be giving it to someone else? Who? I wouldnt want to be keeping money that doesnt belong to me..
ask the op, not me
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Earth
24,620 posts, read 28,277,661 times
Reputation: 11416
Quote:
Originally Posted by SLCPUNK View Post
What he's saying is check out goldline...they rock.


You're right. And with Attitude.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:24 AM
 
13,684 posts, read 9,006,517 times
Reputation: 10405
Hmm. I guess I could have paid $180,000 cash for my house, if only I had that amount of cash on me. However, since I did not, I went to a mortgage lender and borrowed $140,000. I have a Warrenty Deed with Vendor's Lien. Once I pay off the mortgage, the lien will be removed.

True, if I default on the loan the lender will take steps to judicially foreclose on the house, removing title from my name and transferring title to the lender.

I do pay property taxes, which I happen to think are somewhat un-constitutional. One reason for the American Revolution is that colonist did not really 'own' their property, but held it 'at the sufferance of the King', meaning that, in theory, the King could appropriate your land (think King Henry VIII, who loved to take over a man's land and manor, like that Cardinal (Wosley, was it?).

Anyway, the Founders made it clear that a person should be able to own land that could not be taken by the King, or government (Fee Simple ownership). Note that I am not talking about a mortgage lien. I am talking about the government literally 'taking' land that you own, even if you owe not one dime.

Alas! State and local government entities needed a sure way to raise revenue, and property taxes were the answer. Remember, the property itself it taxed and is not cancelled out if the owner sells the property: the taxes always stay with the property (hence when you buy a house, you must check to see if there are any outstanding realty taxes). As my father once said, "land doesn't run away".

However, I recognize reality, and that my opinion concerning the constitutionality of property taxes means nothing (the issue has been litigated in many jurisdictions over the years, each time the court rules for the right of local governments to tax land).

I will add that property taxes are a way for a government to take over land. When Russia was taken over by the communist, they did not simply confiscate private property as many people believe. Rather, they immediately raised the property taxes to a level that people could not pay, hence the property would be taken by the government.

In the Confederate South, after the Civil War, property taxes were used by the Carpetbaggers to take over choice properties (recall Gone with the Wind? Margaret Mitchell, the daughter of a lawyer, knew her history).

I used to rent (apartment and houses). However, I did not like the lack of privacy (I hated to walk into my apartment and find the note left by the landlord saying he had been in the apartment to inspect something). It was nice if you had a good landlord (note the word 'landlord').

Anyway, I do own the house I live in, although there is a lien against it for the mortgage. My ownership is not absolute due to the lien (and due to property taxes). Yet, so long as I keep paying the lender back the money I freely borrowed, and pay the blasted property taxes, I have more rights to the property than anyone.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-10-2011, 07:28 AM
 
9,855 posts, read 15,203,236 times
Reputation: 5481
As long as we are being doom-and-gloom, you know the old saying.

"You only truly own what you can carry at a dead sprint"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:46 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top