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Old 03-10-2011, 05:55 AM
 
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But the fed DOES bail the postal service out.
No they dont.. They havent been subsidized by the taxpayers since the 1970's when they removed the subsidy
http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/s...selfsufficient

The only money the federal government pays to the US Postal Service is to compensate the Post Office for the federal requirement to provide reduced or free postage for libraries, the blind etc.. The government simply pays the Post Office for the money lost due to federal regulations..

Wonder what would happen if the Federal Government would do the same to private businesses
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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No they dont.. They havent been subsidized by the taxpayers since the 1970's when they removed the subsidy
USPS performance: self-sufficient

The only money the federal government pays to the US Postal Service is to compensate the Post Office for the federal requirement to provide reduced or free postage for libraries, the blind etc.. The government simply pays the Post Office for the money lost due to federal regulations..

Wonder what would happen if the Federal Government would do the same to private businesses
You are correct, my mistake. Isn't the PS asking congress to allow them to restructure the process of pension funding though?
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:07 AM
 
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You are correct, my mistake. Isn't the PS asking congress to allow them to restructure the process of pension funding though?
Yes.. the USPS has to fund 100% of their pensions, where other governmental agencies have to fund 80%, and most private businesses fund in the 40% range.. This extra 20% represents something like $75B which has been reducing the Post Office profits and causing post office the need to increase their prices more than they should..

Part of the deal in moving the USPS away from govenrmental management, was the post office had to move the pensions off the taxpayers back at a rate higher than is standard.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:52 AM
 
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For the services they provide! Should we also not pay soldiers, police, firefighters, the FBI, CIA, Corps of engineers, etc....?

All of them are paid by tax dollars!
What are those services ....... to pay democrats so they will turn around spend millions for union jobs. Don't even put sleazy union hacks in the same category as our military.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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Guess again. The rest of the country is following WI's lead. Read my post on Idaho.

What the people of this nation have woken up to is the war public employee unions have been waging on taxpayers all these years.
Amen!
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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Either Walker lied when he said removing collective bargaining is necessary for the budget or he is acting dishonestly now by removing it from the budget bill!

WI, your governor is a dishonest man!

He has shown his true colors and more is to come!
What a farce. If you want to hop up on your soap box and scream about dishonesty, maybe you should direct your anger at the unions in WI allowing their union controlled HC insurance company to steal 100 Million per year from the tax payers. What do ya think?
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Actually it is Republicans and Walker who are slowing realising how they have screwed up.
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Old 03-10-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What a farce. If you want to hop up on your soap box and scream about dishonesty, maybe you should direct your anger at the unions in WI allowing their union controlled HC insurance company to steal 100 Million per year from the tax payers. What do ya think?
Well... we have at least settled the issue that Walker was lying (and Informed Consent led down the primrose path by his credulous and easily snagged nose) when it was claimed that collective bargaining had anything to do with the budget.

Now lets put another idiocy to rest; the nonsense regarding the "$100 million theft" by this mythical "union controlled" HC insurance company.
1. The WAE Trust is an independent, not-for-profit insurance company that is regulated and overseen by the State of Wisconsin Office of the Commissioner of Insurance. It is not "controlled by" the union, and not a single penny involved with it can be touched by the union or used for any union purpose whatsoever.

2. The WAE Trust only insures about 35% of Wisconsin's public school employees... pretty much neutering right wing lies about it being some sort of "monopoly" that is forced on school districts by the unions.

3. Even Governor Walker considers the $100 million number to be bull sh*t. While his number is no more obviously correct, he only assert $64 million in potential savings.

4. The Trust is apparently competitive enough that it is not only used by school districts who had to bargain with unions. It was also chosen by the Wisconsin Group Insurance Board in 2010 to be in the State Group Health Insurance Program in 24 counties. More importantly, the Trust was selected as a Tier One option, the lowest cost tier in the state plan.

5. Even the right-wing "think tank" that published these accusations about the Trust (11 years ago, in case anybody is paying attention) admits that the reason these plans sometimes cost more is because they also offer better health care coverages. In other words... the cost difference was not "theft" or "overcharging" at all; it was paying for a better plan. Cutting costs by replacing this company would actually be achieved not by changing companies, but by cutting health care.

The controversy in Wisconsin has served well to expose the active deceit of the Republicans involved. Behind the beard of an economic crisis that they had no small measure in manufacturing, and lacking confidence in their ability to retain their historic gains of last November, they are trying to create a systemic barrier to a Democratic resurgence. It is pure, unadulterated partisan politics at its most cynical and self serving.

But more importantly, they have accomplished in three weeks what Obama has not managed to accomplish in two years... energized a potential counter movement to the Tea Parties... but a movement that is better focused, better organized, and with a clearer understanding of what is genuinely at stake.

It will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. The score card to watch will certainly be the recall efforts on both sides.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Well... we have at least settled the issue that Walker was lying (and Informed Consent led down the primrose path by his credulous and easily snagged nose) when it was claimed that collective bargaining had anything to do with the budget.

Now lets put another idiocy to rest; the nonsense regarding the "$100 million theft" by this mythical "union controlled" HC insurance company.
1. The WAE Trust is an independent, not-for-profit insurance company that is regulated and overseen by the State of Wisconsin Office of the Commissioner of Insurance. It is not "controlled by" the union, and not a single penny involved with it can be touched by the union or used for any union purpose whatsoever.

2. The WAE Trust only insures about 35% of Wisconsin's public school employees... pretty much neutering right wing lies about it being some sort of "monopoly" that is forced on school districts by the unions.

3. Even Governor Walker considers the $100 million number to be bull sh*t. While his number is no more obviously correct, he only assert $64 million in potential savings.

4. The Trust is apparently competitive enough that it is not only used by school districts who had to bargain with unions. It was also chosen by the Wisconsin Group Insurance Board in 2010 to be in the State Group Health Insurance Program in 24 counties. More importantly, the Trust was selected as a Tier One option, the lowest cost tier in the state plan.

5. Even the right-wing "think tank" that published these accusations about the Trust (11 years ago, in case anybody is paying attention) admits that the reason these plans sometimes cost more is because they also offer better health care coverages. In other words... the cost difference was not "theft" or "overcharging" at all; it was paying for a better plan. Cutting costs by replacing this company would actually be achieved not by changing companies, but by cutting health care.
The controversy in Wisconsin has served well to expose the active deceit of the Republicans involved. Behind the beard of an economic crisis that they had no small measure in manufacturing, and lacking confidence in their ability to retain their historic gains of last November, they are trying to create a systemic barrier to a Democratic resurgence. It is pure, unadulterated partisan politics at its most cynical and self serving.

But more importantly, they have accomplished in three weeks what Obama has not managed to accomplish in two years... energized a potential counter movement to the Tea Parties... but a movement that is better focused, better organized, and with a clearer understanding of what is genuinely at stake.

It will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. The score card to watch will certainly be the recall efforts on both sides.
partisan union sympathy blathering is all this is.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
Well... we have at least settled the issue that Walker was lying (and Informed Consent led down the primrose path by his credulous and easily snagged nose) when it was claimed that collective bargaining had anything to do with the budget.

Now lets put another idiocy to rest; the nonsense regarding the "$100 million theft" by this mythical "union controlled" HC insurance company.
1. The WAE Trust is an independent, not-for-profit insurance company that is regulated and overseen by the State of Wisconsin Office of the Commissioner of Insurance. It is not "controlled by" the union, and not a single penny involved with it can be touched by the union or used for any union purpose whatsoever.

2. The WAE Trust only insures about 35% of Wisconsin's public school employees... pretty much neutering right wing lies about it being some sort of "monopoly" that is forced on school districts by the unions.

3. Even Governor Walker considers the $100 million number to be bull sh*t. While his number is no more obviously correct, he only assert $64 million in potential savings.

4. The Trust is apparently competitive enough that it is not only used by school districts who had to bargain with unions. It was also chosen by the Wisconsin Group Insurance Board in 2010 to be in the State Group Health Insurance Program in 24 counties. More importantly, the Trust was selected as a Tier One option, the lowest cost tier in the state plan.

5. Even the right-wing "think tank" that published these accusations about the Trust (11 years ago, in case anybody is paying attention) admits that the reason these plans sometimes cost more is because they also offer better health care coverages. In other words... the cost difference was not "theft" or "overcharging" at all; it was paying for a better plan. Cutting costs by replacing this company would actually be achieved not by changing companies, but by cutting health care.
The controversy in Wisconsin has served well to expose the active deceit of the Republicans involved. Behind the beard of an economic crisis that they had no small measure in manufacturing, and lacking confidence in their ability to retain their historic gains of last November, they are trying to create a systemic barrier to a Democratic resurgence. It is pure, unadulterated partisan politics at its most cynical and self serving.

But more importantly, they have accomplished in three weeks what Obama has not managed to accomplish in two years... energized a potential counter movement to the Tea Parties... but a movement that is better focused, better organized, and with a clearer understanding of what is genuinely at stake.

It will be fascinating to watch how this plays out. The score card to watch will certainly be the recall efforts on both sides.
Hmmmmm...
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WEA Insurance Corporation, better known as WEA Trust, was created in the 1980s as an entity to provide health insurance benefits to WEAC members. Similar to the Michigan Education Association’s MESSA insurance, WEA Trust was created and is controlled by the union.

WEAC exposed - WEA Trust (http://neaexposed.com/weacexposed/weatrust.html - broken link)

What were you saying about WEA not being created and controlled by the unions?
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