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Regardless of whether you agree with liberal policies or not, there must be a line drawn in the sand somewhere. The political ideology you align with is redundant, if your constituents did not agree with the platform you ran on, you would not be in office in the first place. There is nothing wrong with compromising, but compromising beyond your principles is unacceptable. And unfortunately, this is one department in which the Republicans have the Democrats beat...
And I am guessing we are on different sides here but.. hey so what you made a good point. I want Democrats to stop compromising and hiding. I want the progressives to show their true colors. Come out and tell the american people waht you really want.
See, I dont think the republicans have democrats beat.. I think that the progressive democrats which rule the democratic party right now, they have to compromise, they have to back track.. Their core beliefs are not mainestream.. they would NEVER be elected to office if they were to share their core beliefs..
Republicans and tea parties alike dont have to hide their longterm agenda.
Democrats are forced to run strategic campaigns to get elected and then continue the smoke and mirrors while slowly instituting their plan.. and yes I know that all politicians play politics to get elected but the democrats these days are too far from mainestream america..
Obama could never sit there and say what he really wants for healthcare which is a singlepayer government run healtcare.... even though most of us know thats exactly what he wants... so he compromises!
And the sheeple masses follow..
Obama and company cant just sit there and tell the American people that hey, All illegal mexicans should just be allowed to stay here and be granted citizenship.. we know thats what he wants... but he cant admit it.. instead we hear "path to citizenship"....
I have no problem debating and accepting the fact we are a big nation with many ideas of how things should be here..
I just wish people would be honest about what it is they want, and expect from government... and be realistic about what it means to our nation.. and how it will effect us.
If you hate this country for how it was founded, if you "think" that this country was built on the backs of slaves by rich white men and deep down you despise everything we stand for and really want to tear it down and begin a NEW country... say that.. I truelly believe many of the progressive democrats feel this way.
Stop all this PC bull ****!
I think its nuts that my 7 year old needs to be patted down at the airport.. They should be racially profiling muslims or middle eastern people and non us citizens. yea it sucks, but in the name of political correctness we have to spend 5x the amount of money to submit the other 99% of travalers to this crap for NO REASON but... it wouldn't be fair.. Bull ****! When middle class america starts blowing up embassy's across the world, flying planes into building, threatening to bomb planes, using their childrent to blowthemselves up in crowded terminals and shoot innocent people at airports or when the catholic church and or major christian religion declares a JHAD on america, ect ect then spend crazy money and frisk me and my children!
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Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...
Top 3:
1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.
2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.
3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.
I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
Nah.
Secondly, the dems should just come out and say that they are actually socialists.
Drop the democratic party sham and just get it over with.
Socialist Party of these United States.
Somehow, I don't think this would win over many people.
Even though EVERY single policy points to socialism, they refute the notion at every turn.
Secondly, the dems should just come out and say that they are actually socialists.
Drop the democratic party sham and just get it over with.
Socialist Party of these United States.
Somehow, I don't think this would win over many people.
Even though EVERY single policy points to socialism, they refute the notion at every turn.
What's your definition of socialism?
Here's an accepted one:
Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production.
I'm pretty progressive, but I don't advocate either common ownership nor cooperative management of the means of production. All progressives I know don't support this as well. I own a business and am a capitalist through and through. (Although, I certainly support regulation that prevents the citizenry form being cheated by corporations and corporate interests)
Even though you're not a Democrat, thanks for contributing to the thread.
Allow me to respond:
1. I find this to be a bit misleading. Republicans like to spend too... (There are plenty of Republican congresses/Presidents that increased the deficit and debt. See: Reagan). Republicans like to spend on the military. Democrats prefer social programs that benefit people.
Democrats typically outspend Republicans.
The 1980s Democrat-controlled Congress spent, on average, 2.8% more than Reagan asked for and a cumulative 24.5% over 8 years.
2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.
Since most US voters do not identify themselves as being liberal why do you think this would help? If anything the more progressive the Democratic party becomes the less significant they are.The Democrats that were thrown out of office this last election were in the center, they didn't get tossed out like the thrash because they weren't liberal enough.
Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...
Top 3:
1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.
2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.
3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.
I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
There isn't very much critical thinking going on in trhe original post. Why don't you just say the Dems have to go further left and improve messaging? Gosh I wish the leadership would take your advise, the Republicans would have a permanent majority. You don't seem to understand there are more self identified conservative than liberals.
There isn't very much critical thinking going on in trhe original post. Why don't you just say the Dems have to go further left and improve messaging? Gosh I wish the leadership would take your advise, the Republicans would have a permanent majority. You don't seem to understand there are more self identified conservative than liberals.
I also understand that how people self-identify is fluid.
If we have better ideas that prove to work long term and help people live better, then more people will change how they self-identify.
In the end, I truly believe better ideas win.
Why is gay marriage starting to become accepted? Simply because people over time recognize that equality is a higher moral ie a better idea than hate.
Liberal = 20% of voters, the smallest part ever.You can't win with liberal ideas.
I dunno, until november they dominated both houses of congress not to mention electing a man with no known qualifications for the whitehouse except he possessed "rock star" good looks and could pull them in by the tens of thousands. Hell, they were passing out in the stands at his political rallies. I'd say they've done pretty well for themselves considering.......
Exercise in critical thinking....
Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...
Top 3:
1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.
2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.
3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.
I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
You're forgetting something, Democrats are PARTY members. Liberal, progressive, and conservative are ideologies.
The Republican Party is totally conservative Plutocrat.
The Democratic Party has conservatives in it. This explains their "weakness" because there are always some who side with Republicans on issues.
A truly "progressive" party would not be so ineffectual.
Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...
Top 3:
1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.
2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.
3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.
I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
I am far worse than a Republican to you, I am a CONSERVATIVE.
I think many politicians over the last few decades should be in jail for spending all this money we never had.
I think unions own Democrats, I think Republicans are Democrat lite because they have to compete against Democrats giving away the treasury to get elected.
I think we are BEYOND a point in this country where all the social spending is mostly over and nobody wants to deal with it.
We need to fire at least half the government work forces.
We need to limit SS, Medicare, Social Programs and so forth, not because anyone likes that, but the living generations let this happen and they deserve the lack of benefits because of it.
We already spent the next thirty years and there is no PROGRESSIVE program to reverse that IMO.
What PROGRESSIVE goals pay off the national debt? I'm all ears on this.
TAX TAX TAX I bet, but it is a spending problem. We are broke, so now what?
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