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Old 03-10-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Exercise in critical thinking....

Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...

Top 3:

1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.

2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.

3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.

I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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Exercise in critical thinking....

Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...

Top 3:

1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.

2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.

3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.

I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?
We're also spineless when it comes to debates. How often do we run away from Republicans because we're afraid that they'll *GASP* hurt our feelings?
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Exercise in critical thinking....

Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...

Top 3:

1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.

2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.

3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.

I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?

4) Out of touch with reality. There's too much governing on hopes and dreams.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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Excellent. You listed what you consider problems. Do they need to be fixed? Can they be fixed?
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I am an independent but clearly lean democratic. And I disagree with the problems you mention. Instead, I feel, the democrats tend to be about as ideological as republicans. This is assuming, of course, that republicans haven't just hijacked the term "conservative" but represent the faction and democrats are automatically progressives. In my opinion, pragmatism ought to dictate progressives not anti-conservatism, which would technically be ideology based.

I do agree on the issue of PR but here is the problem. As a progressive, I feel that informed populace and logic based discussions are key. If the sole purpose of PR is to achieve an emotional response, then we would be mimicking what we hate about authoritarians. Yes, that makes the job tougher, but at least it would prevent us from selling our soul simply for scoring political points. Let the feeble minded do that.

On issue of being spineless, well, the problem would be that if something is grounded on pragmatism as opposed to maintaining an ideology that could fit under a rock and inspire those who crawl under, there will be factions and greater chance of less lock-stepping. Ideological grounds encourage lock-step marching that would put even Red Army to shame.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Here's what's really wrong with the Democrats and I'm not one:

1. You like to spend other people's money.
2. You like to pat yourselves on the back and think you are smarter, better, more benevolent than everyone else.
3. You're a bunch of finger-wagging mommies and think everything is a teachable moment for us "dumb" serfs.
4. You hold thinkers in higher esteem than do-ers.
5. See 1, again.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Liberal = 20% of voters, the smallest part ever.You can't win with liberal ideas.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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Exercise in critical thinking....

Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...

Top 3:

1) Vote more often out of political expedience instead of belief. Spineless at times.

2) We tend to run to the center instead of fighting for more Progressive programs that would benefit everyone.

3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.

I wonder if a Republican will start a thread like this... Too much critical thinking involved?


Are you kidding me? You mean you havent heard the many republicans on this forum complain about the republicans doing all of the things the dems are doing...

If You Read One Thing [***] About How Out-of-Control Gov't Spending Is, How Similar Reps Are to Dems, & Why We Can't Wait to Fix Things, Read Rand Paul's Floor Speech from Yesterday! - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Here's what's really wrong with the Democrats and I'm not one:

1. You like to spend other people's money.
2. You like to pat yourselves on the back and think you are smarter, better, more benevolent than everyone else.
3. You're a bunch of finger-wagging mommies and think everything is a teachable moment for us "dumb" serfs.
4. You hold thinkers in higher esteem than do-ers.
5. See 1, again.
Even though you're not a Democrat, thanks for contributing to the thread.

Allow me to respond:

1. I find this to be a bit misleading. Republicans like to spend too... (There are plenty of Republican congresses/Presidents that increased the deficit and debt. See: Reagan). Republicans like to spend on the military. Democrats prefer social programs that benefit people.

2. That's pretty bogus. There is plenty of self-congratulations and mutual admiration societies on both sides. The Democrats certain put more value in college education, it seems, if you use the anti-university and anti-intellectualism comments I see on here from the right.

3. Seems like a personal impression. Sorry you feel that way.

4. Yes, I agree with this. I prefer planning and careful execution to an immediate action bias. I'm sure you'd agree there are ga-zillions of do-ers on both sides. I own a business, travel 150,000 miles a year on business, employe people, etc, yet am a Progressive Democrat. There are loads of us. (See: New York City)
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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What bothers me most about Democrats is that they cannot reconcile the diffrence between good intent and good execution. INTENT is why we are a noble country. EXECUTION is why we are in financial dire straits. Democrats have the hardest time understanding that.
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