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Old 03-11-2011, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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New Michigan Republican Governor Rick Snyder wants to have authority to make major cuts in aid and then declare any town or school district to be in a financial emergency at his discretion; put someone or some company of his choosing in charge of that town; reject, modify or terminate any contracts the town may have entered; suspend or dismiss elected officials; absorb school districts into others at will; disincorporate / dissolve entire city governments; and allow corporations to make these decisions and be placed in charge of these jurisdictions.

This bill has already passed the Michigan House. If Democrats proposed such an idea it would be seen as a criminal intrusion by big government.

Can anyone who supports Republicans explain to me how this bill aligns with the principles of keeping government small and out of people's lives? I find the hypocrisy appalling.

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Old 03-11-2011, 05:48 AM
 
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Did you see Detroit and other cities of this state ? It's not well-run, not managed correctly.I guess the state of Michigan doesn't have another choice.
By extrapolation of your logic, would you support a proposal by President Obama to place a czar in control of Mississippi, a state with a failing school system and high unemployment, and let that appointed individual (or sock making company) replace the officials elected by the residents of Mississippi with whomever that appointee wishes?

Do you think Republicans would celebrate such a takeover on the premise that big, distant government knows better than local citizens?
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Why are you only pointing out states with Republican Governors that are doing this ?
Why aren't you just as outraged at New York State ?
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:37 AM
 
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Can anyone who supports Republicans explain to me how this bill aligns with the principles of keeping government small and out of people's lives?
I didn't think so. Republicans should notify their elected officials that they will not stand for big government control over the lives of citizens by Republican leadership.
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:39 AM
 
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New Michigan Republican Governor Rick Snyder wants to have authority to make major cuts in aid and then declare any town or school district to be in a financial emergency at his discretion; put someone or some company of his choosing in charge of that town; reject, modify or terminate any contracts the town may have entered; suspend or dismiss elected officials; absorb school districts into others at will; disincorporate / dissolve entire city governments; and allow corporations to make these decisions and be placed in charge of these jurisdictions.

This bill has already passed the Michigan House. If Democrats proposed such an idea it would be seen as a criminal intrusion by big government.

Can anyone who supports Republicans explain to me how this bill aligns with the principles of keeping government small and out of people's lives? I find the hypocrisy appalling.

Video - It's not about the budget - New York CUNY | Examiner.com
You'd prefer the state senators or other politicians take off and run to Chicago instead of acting....then whine about the rights of millions being stripped because of the awful Republicans?
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I didn't think so. Republicans should notify their elected officials that they will not stand for big government control over the lives of citizens by Republican leadership.
Any comment on what New York State did with their takeover of the finances of Long Island Nassau County finances ?

Do you think this is just being done by states with Republican Governors ?
The state has a duty to step in and take over if cities are not making moves to balance their budgets. Do you want to see defaults by cities start happening ? Cut your nose off to spite your face ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/ny.../27nassau.html
"A state oversight board on Wednesday seized control of Nassau Countyā€™s finances, saying the county, one of the nationā€™s wealthiest and most heavily taxed, had nonetheless failed to balance its $2.7 billion budget."
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:48 AM
 
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Why are you only pointing out states with Republican Governors that are doing this ?
Why aren't you just as outraged at New York State ?
I'm not saying it's right for anybody to have the right to do it by the whim of one man. There are times when states need to step in based on vote and due process, but this is very different - and nowhere in New York do I see a corporation replacing elected government of cities, as is being proposed in Michigan.

I'm asking why Republicans support it since it counters the rhetoric they use to get elected.
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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You'd prefer the state senators or other politicians take off and run to Chicago instead of acting....then whine about the rights of millions being stripped because of the awful Republicans?
Please start another thread if you wish to discuss other topics. If all you have is a weak diversionary tactic and nothing of substance to contribute to the topic at hand, then please move along. This thread is for mature audiences only.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Bluefly, you are incorrect in saying the Governor can do this at his discretion.
This is not creating Emergency Financial Managers as they already exist. The EFMs only come in to play when cities fail to fix their finances. That bill just gives the EMFs more authority to fire and void contracts.
The EMFs cannot fully do their job of trying to turn around and fix local economic disasters.

Detroit Schools have been under an EFM since 2009. Their job is to slash, restructure, reorganize a fiscally failing system. If they can't do it the next step is bankruptcy and only the EFM can declare bankruptcy (Mich law).

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Old 03-11-2011, 07:07 AM
 
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Bluefly, you are incorrect in saying the Governor can do this at his discretion.
This is not creating Emergency Financial Managers as they already exist. The EFMs only come in to play when cities fail to fix their finances. That bill just gives the EMFs more authority to fire and void contracts.
The EMFs cannot fully do their job of trying to turn around and fix local economic disasters.

Detroit Schools have been under an EFM since 2009. Their job is to slash, restructure, reorganize a fiscally failing system. If they can't do it the next step is bankruptcy and only the EFM can declare bankruptcy (Mich law).

Stimulus Sale for DPS - The Bond Buyer Article
When a big government purposely bankrupts your city and then a czar or corporation takes over your town and makes all the decisions, I will check back to see if you still delude yourself into thinking this is the same thing.

Sad how many people are bamboozled by political power grabs to break the opposition rather than build a state that works. Big government thrives under Republicans and, evidently, they support it. Thanks for the insight, happytexan.
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