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Old 03-10-2011, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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If that was the case he would have needed quorum...Maybe it did though in which case a judge could strike it down.

Mmmmmm what is about the left that they have no understanding about what is going on in Wisconsin?

""We are not splitting the bill. It's an an amended bill," says one source, who explains that the state's non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau has said that such a vote could take place without a three-fifths quorum required for some fiscal bills. "It still has a fiscal impact, but doesn't appropriate money," which is why the senate can vote on the bill with a simple majority present."

Breaking: Without Democrats Present, Wisconsin Senate Voting on Largely-Intact Budget Repair Bill (UPDATED) | The Weekly Standard
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Wow, you really have to tie yourself in a knot to make this a victory for unions.
Actually no. You don't.

You simply have to wait for the next elections.
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Actually no. You don't.

You simply have to wait for the next elections.
6 weeks following recall certification. I think that was made pretty much inevitable.
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Actually no. You don't.

You simply have to wait for the next elections.
Well if you define victory as elections you could be right. But if you define it by doing what is best for tax payers, the Republicans are the clear winners.

I would love to see the Dems campaign slogan. We'll bring back collective bargaining, it will only cost you $1.7 trilllion!
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It does have something to do with the budget. CB holds the budget and the state hostage to get what they want. That is over now in WI. The unions still have some CB power left. The most important stuff like wages can still be bargained.
It has nothing to do with the budget whatsoever. The rules they passed it under indicate that. No bill can come to the floor without a quorum if it has anything to do with the budget or is fiscal in nature. So by voting on this without the quorum, and bypassing those rules, the GOP proved this has nothing to do with the budget, nor is it fiscal related in any way shape or form.
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Old 03-10-2011, 03:58 PM
 
Location: NC
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Mmmmmm what is about the left that they have no understanding about what is going on in Wisconsin?

""We are not splitting the bill. It's an an amended bill," says one source, who explains that the state's non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau has said that such a vote could take place without a three-fifths quorum required for some fiscal bills. "It still has a fiscal impact, but doesn't appropriate money," which is why the senate can vote on the bill with a simple majority present."

Breaking: Without Democrats Present, Wisconsin Senate Voting on Largely-Intact Budget Repair Bill (UPDATED) | The Weekly Standard
Obviously the Republicans claim they can vote on it, but we will see if that interpretation holds up in court.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...orum-is-needed

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Old 03-10-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Obviously the Republicans allege they can vote on it, but we will see if that interpretation holds up in court.

Governor Walker admits bill is fiscal, but still claims no quorum needed (Video) - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com
It won't even make it near court, it wasn't a Republican allegation.

""We are not splitting the bill. It's an an amended bill," says one source, who explains that the state's non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau has said that such a vote could take place without a three-fifths quorum required for some fiscal bills. "It still has a fiscal impact, but doesn't appropriate money," which is why the senate can vote on the bill with a simple majority present."

Breaking: Without Democrats Present, Wisconsin Senate Voting on Largely-Intact Budget Repair Bill (UPDATED) | The Weekly Standard
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:12 PM
 
Location: NC
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It won't even make it near court, it wasn't a Republican allegation.

""We are not splitting the bill. It's an an amended bill," says one source, who explains that the state's non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau has said that such a vote could take place without a three-fifths quorum required for some fiscal bills. "It still has a fiscal impact, but doesn't appropriate money," which is why the senate can vote on the bill with a simple majority present."

Breaking: Without Democrats Present, Wisconsin Senate Voting on Largely-Intact Budget Repair Bill (UPDATED) | The Weekly Standard
You don't need to repost the same link twice, I read it the first time and responded to it. As I said that is one interpretation, but if you bothered to read my link you would see why the Democrats can, and are challenging that view. There is a reason Republicans did not do this in the first place.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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As I said that is one interpretation, but if you bothered to read my link you would see why the Democrats can, and are challenging that.

They can challenge all they like. The body that determines how the bills can be voted on has spoken.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: NC
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They can challenge all they like. The body that determines how the bills can be voted on has spoken.
That doesn't matter if a state court, charged with interpreting the state constitution, disagrees.
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