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Old 03-11-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Funny how we see obama on disparate ends of the spectrum, depending on the country.
Gosh, do you think that might be because the facts and circumstances are different, depending on the country?
This is a fine example of right-wing rigid thinking. What worked in Egypt isn't going to work in Libya.

This is not rocket science.

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Ghadaffi, who happens to be close with Wright and Calypso Louis, obama's mentors, gets the silent treatment from obama, as well as Iran.

Wait, let me get out my roll of tinfoil...

[qote]These two dictators have proved the most ruthless and murderous...but virtual silence from obama.[/quote]

This is a blatant falsehood. There has not been "virtual silence" by any stretch of the imagination.

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Friends, like Egypt and Honduras, get the polar opposite treatment, where obama was actively involved, in public and behind the scenes, trying to undermine their rule.
Because their situations are not identical to Libya's, as has already been pointed out in this thread.

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Curious.
Not really.

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As the article in the OP states, he has put himself in a straight jacket, which starts with his criticism and rhetoric about the Bush administration and culminates with his cowering behind other world leaders, waiting for one side or the other to come out on top.
It's "straitjacket", FYI. How is Obama constrained, when it is clear all he is doing is keeping his options open?

Could you explain what is wrong with letting these people fight it out?

And don't pretend to have humanitarian concerns, please. Let's be real here.

And while we have you back in the thread, let's hear your alternative to the current policy.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Obama had made it clear that he is on the side of the so called reblls i Libya . Basically the problem is no oe know or can ideentuify any leaqdership of the rebel at all.It was also clear that the administration was caqught completely off gurad when it started. They already have float a no flly zone i the UN and the russian have said they would veto it. The world isn't so simple as Carter and now Obama and the liberals think it is. They support the rebles by their staements and yet can't identify any leadership at all ;musch like happened in Iran under Carter. This has leader to the problems we now see with iran being the supporter of terrorism it is now.It a common policy thru out history looking back to when people thought Hitler was actually someone who they could deal with in the 30's and some like Joe Kennedy even admired.Clinton even viewed the first world trade buildig as a police matter t and not a threat to the nation but a law enforcement problem to be dealth with by the loacl authorities.Right now its clear that we know the goverbamnt is the same but we have vo idea of who is the opposiiton mcuh like in Iran when it started. Its a claer indication of what the Church commison did to our intellligence gathering did.
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Old 03-11-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Actually not correct. Hilary Clinton has made the U.S position very clear and I totally agree.



Libya: No-fly zone should not be led by US, says Clinton - Telegraph


Why should the U.S continue to get involved in other countries matters? We have our own issues.
Well...... ummmmm...... maybe, maybe not:

Friday, March 11, 2011 - Added 3 hours ago -

President Barack Obama said today that a no-fly zone over Libya to keep Col. Moammar Gadhafi from attacking rebels remains a possibility as "we are slowly tightening the noose" around the Libyan leader. But he stopped short of moving toward military action.

"The bottom line is: I have not taken any actions off the table at this point," Obama told a White House news conference.
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Well...... ummmmm...... maybe, maybe not:

Friday, March 11, 2011 - Added 3 hours ago -

President Barack Obama said today that a no-fly zone over Libya to keep Col. Moammar Gadhafi from attacking rebels remains a possibility as "we are slowly tightening the noose" around the Libyan leader. But he stopped short of moving toward military action.

"The bottom line is: I have not taken any actions off the table at this point," Obama told a White House news conference.
Which only fuels the view Americans have of his O ness:

"That is his usual SOP - wait and see, then try and get on the winning side so it helps him politically. After all, it's always all about obama."

Typical wait and see Obama.

Sanrene - k:
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Old 03-11-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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Which only fuels the view Americans have of his O ness:

"That is his usual SOP - wait and see, then try and get on the winning side so it helps him politically. After all, it's always all about obama."

Typical wait and see Obama.

Sanrene - k:
Wait and see seems like a pretty good policy to me right now. No billions of dollars spent on military action, no body bags coming home. Sure Gaddafi is a nasty piece of work but you cannot intervene militarily against every despot you don't like.
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Old 03-16-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Well, the end is near for the rebels...as obama and the UN dither and waffle.

Supporters call for Libya no-fly vote - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

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Army warns residents of rebel stronghold Benghazi it will 'cleanse' city
One rebel area left.

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Britain and France put a draft resolution that would impose a no-fly zone in a final form late Wednesday. The text will be sent to capitals overnight and can still be changed before being put to a vote in the 15-member council.
Guys, just a wait a few hours more..it will all be over and you won't have to bother.

Libyans Scramble in Face of Onslaught - WSJ.com

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Still nervous after the escape, Mr. Ali said he had a message for President Barack Obama: "Tell Obama I'm pleading with him—launch just one airstrike here. Prove that Gadhafi was wrong when he said that America only cares about business interests, not human rights."
Save it - you will get no relief from him, he is bereft of leadership.
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Old 03-17-2011, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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We have no leadership. The UN is a useless waste of taxpayer money. What good are they? Genocides, democracy protesters slaughtered in the streets and this "world body" does nothing.

Barack Obama's Libya straitjacket





Yes, talk, talk, talk, empty words, meaningless blather from the fearless one.



Disgusting, shameful.

He makes his declarations and then...nothing, as France and the UK take the leadership on this crisis.

Gaddafi takes key towns as Nato squabbles over Libya action | World news | The Guardian



U.S. sends mixed signals on U.N. backing for Libya no-fly zone - CNN.com



A timid American response | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/08/2011 (http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/117567613.html - broken link)



That is his usual SOP - wait and see, then try and get on the winning side so it helps him politically. After all, it's always all about obama.
Heh. And the moment we got mired in Lybia, you'd be saying he got us mired in Lybia.

Whatever. Your posts are getting old
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Old 03-17-2011, 04:57 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Save it - you will get no relief from him, he is bereft of leadership.
Of course you favor leaders who would negotiate with the terror sponsoring Gadaffi so what, other than another whine about Obama, is your point?
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Old 03-17-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Looks like we've found the real reason - obama doesn't want to upset the Iranian regime, the one he's tried to appease, the one whose walked all over him, the one whose embarrassed him beyond belief, the one who still won't unclench their fist, even though obama sat silent while they murdered protesters in the street, just like what is happening in Libya.

Iran Looms Large in Libya Decisions - WSJ.com

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Those wary of intervening, including many in the Obama administration, worry that Western intervention will play directly into the narrative Tehran's leaders have been spinning to justify cracking down on their own dissidents: that the U.S. and its Zionist allies are waiting to take advantage of any Mideast unrest to seize control of the region and its oil assets.
Well, they're already doing that champ.

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Old 03-17-2011, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The United States isn't the worlds police.

If the people of Libya want their country back, let them rise up in numbers that would do that.

I could see a no fly zone, but it should be from the United Nations. Our country should never again take a unilateral strike against a country that isn't a threat to our own country.
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