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Old 03-11-2011, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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We have no leadership. The UN is a useless waste of taxpayer money. What good are they? Genocides, democracy protesters slaughtered in the streets and this "world body" does nothing.

Barack Obama's Libya straitjacket

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..the administration's response to Moammar Gaddafi seems to be having the effect of encouraging him to wage a civil war while locking in the military advantage he holds.
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It's beginning to look as if what Mr. Obama has "engineered" is a situation in which the United States and its closest allies have declared that a dictator must go "as quickly as possible" - and have not only constrained themselves from ensuring that outcome but are actively hindering it by refusing to provide arms to the opposition.
Yes, talk, talk, talk, empty words, meaningless blather from the fearless one.

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If not, the world will watch as Mr. Gaddafi continues to massacre his people, while an American president who said that he must go fails to implement any strategy for making that happen.
Disgusting, shameful.

He makes his declarations and then...nothing, as France and the UK take the leadership on this crisis.

Gaddafi takes key towns as Nato squabbles over Libya action | World news | The Guardian

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Nato was left paralysed as the US joined Germany in blocking the imposition of a no-fly zone supported by Britain and France.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/us.libya/

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The Obama administration sent mixed signals Wednesday on its stance on a no-fly zone in Libya, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying U.N. backing was essential while White House spokesman Jay Carney left the door open to the United States acting unilaterally or in concert with NATO allies.
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/117567613.html (broken link)

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So far, Washington has reacted timidly to the extraordinary events convulsing the Middle East. The United States has behaved as a nervous bystander afraid to make the wrong move, not a self-assured country with much at stake - morally, strategically, and economically - in the outcome of the pro-democracy uprisings.

You could almost see the president checking to see which way the wind blew.
That is his usual SOP - wait and see, then try and get on the winning side so it helps him politically. After all, it's always all about obama.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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And if he did otherwise, you would post a similarly critical thread with just some of the words changed.

I applaud his restraint and subtlety in dealing with this sensitive situation. Sending in troops would be a bad PR and propaganda move at this point.

The Arabs have to free themselves. Any foreign power intervening directly is only going to fuel the arguments of the Islamists.
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Old 03-11-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Obama is all talk no action on a lot of things but most of the time I think his problem is too much stupid talk rather than a problem of too little action. In my old job we used to have a saying that if you don't plan to follow up with enforcement, don't make the threat because as soon as people realize you don't really mean what you say, they'll crawl out of the woodwork to take advantage.

I totally agree with the UN comments. They are useless and always have been useless. Here's hoping the budget cutters think the US can save a lot of money by evicting them.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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While you may be right that our president is impotent, I actually don't know how we come out ahead by backing a bunch of disorganized protesters in a part of the world that hates America.

Let's say we back these faceless, nameless protesters and they turn out to gain control and start some sort of ethnic, or religious purge, do we then back the next group of protesters?

I say let Libya's neighbors take care of their own backyard, and we just offer humanitarian assistance. We sure as hell have not been out in the world stopping real genocide in the past, so why do we need to get involved in a civil war?
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And if he did otherwise, you would post a similarly critical thread with just some of the words changed.

I applaud his restraint and subtlety in dealing with this sensitive situation. Sending in troops would be a bad PR and propaganda move at this point.

The Arabs have to free themselves. Any foreign power intervening directly is only going to fuel the arguments of the Islamists.
Then he needs to keep his piehole shut from the very beginning. In Egypt, he took an active role in deposing Mubarak, while in Iran, his silence was deafening. In Libya, he's sitting on the sidelines hoping to come out on the right side.

Perfect;

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMcl...gonibd.jpg.cms

This one is classic....poor TOTUS.

http://www.investors.com/image/ISStoonclr0228.jpg.cms

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Old 03-11-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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The same people that deride Obama in this context for not being World Policeman will scream bloody murder as soon as he starts doing what they want.

There is no analysis here. Just random Obama-bashing for the sake of Obama-bashing, as per usual.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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And if he did otherwise, you would post a similarly critical thread with just some of the words changed.

I applaud his restraint and subtlety in dealing with this sensitive situation. Sending in troops would be a bad PR and propaganda move at this point.

The Arabs have to free themselves. Any foreign power intervening directly is only going to fuel the arguments of the Islamists.
The point is, 0bama has no clear foreign policy, and this looks more like an inept fool caught in the headlights, this does not look like 0bama is simply showing introspective restraint.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The same people that deride Obama in this context for not being World Policeman will scream bloody murder as soon as he starts doing what they want.

There is no analysis here. Just random Obama-bashing for the sake of Obama-bashing, as per usual.
So, go ahead and define our president's foreign policy for us, and try to be consistent, and use quotes and statements from Obama.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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Then he needs to keep his piehole shut from the very beginning. In Egypt, he took an active role in deposing Mubarak, while in Iran, his silence was deafening. In Libya, he's sitting on the sidelines hoping to come out on the right side.
Why?

You see, it doesn't matter what Obama does. In your eyes, everything and anything he does will be wrong, even before he does it.

And what active role did we take in Egypt? You do understand that Egypt and Libya are not identical situations. Maybe you don't.

He's playing a delicate game. You would have him storm in as a part of some catchy-named military operation which would basically prove correct all the things the Islamists are AQ are saying about this situation - essentially playing right into their hands, and I have no doubt you would criticize him for that, too.

Radical Islamists just LOVE when you do this. They want polarization. They want us to behave as they describe us behaving.

And you are basically cooperating with their agenda in your irrational zeal to denigrate all things Obama, no matter what.
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Old 03-11-2011, 08:08 AM
 
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So, go ahead and define our president's foreign policy for us, and try to be consistent, and use quotes and statements from Obama.
Stay the hell out of trouble and not start any new freaking wars while we are trying to wrap up TWO land wars in Asia.

We cannot afford it. So much for the Right's fiscal responsibility.
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