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Old 03-14-2011, 06:59 AM
 
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I agree with the OP and suggest, as the private sector benefits most from educated workers as it did in the late 1800's, it, through progressive corporate and individual income taxes, pay for the education of these workers.

I, AS SOME OF YOU HAVE NOTED, suggest a progressive income tax based on all income, and as corporations are now considered individuals their pre tax raw profit, with a deduction that relieves the bottom 90% from the tax. This income tax should be supplemented with tariffs on all imported goods and services high enough to negate any economic advantage attributed to lower wages, dangerous working conditions and government subsidy.

The result would be the restoration of a middle class of income earners and a diminution of after tax differentials in income. This would have the social benefit of reducing the exclusivity of the upper class 10% along with the irony of using “their” money to do it. These taxes would also place the burden of operating our government on the people that actually own most of the country. The political advantage would be a more egalitarian method of funding the political system as the very top would have a lot less money to bribe politicians and buy political parties.

Now I know some of you would suggest that the very wealthiest would take their money and run. I would propose that any of their accounts, domestic or foreign, would be confiscated and their citizenship revoked. This would discourage their unpatriotic action evidenced by their taking the money from this economy. Their choice would be to either stay and play of start over broke in some other country. I humbly suggest Yemen.
History has shown Communism to be a failure.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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I agree with the OP and suggest, as the private sector benefits most from educated workers as it did in the late 1800's, it, through progressive corporate and individual income taxes, pay for the education of these workers.
Then why are we importing millions of unskilled workers? Immigrants have no trouble finding employment, we can import cheap foreign educated workers and of course keep on bringing in lettuce pickers - that's the trend you know. Why throw away billions of dollars to educate Americans when no one wants to hire Americans?

Immigrants Having Easier Time Finding Jobs - News Story - KFOX El Paso
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:21 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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During the late 19th century, the US decided to offer free education for all children whether they are rich or poor. The proposal was for making a generation literate to work the factories of the industrial age. Public education created functionally literate people to fuel the American economic system.


Now that we are in a globalized world, which requires educated and skilled people to fuel economic growth in this country, we should allow anyone in the US to attend college free of charge. It makes sense in this global economy.


It's time to reset the way we do things, People.
Public education isn't free. It costs more than private education. And the results are poorer. Every taxpayer and property owner is getting soaked to pay teachers high salaries and benefits no one in the private sector receives. Have you ever looked into their retirement guarantees? They get rich off the backs of the hard working taxpayers.

Our kids are learning less, and our "public" schools have become nothing more than indoctrination centers into Socialist/Marxist thought.

There is no "right" to an education. Somebody must pay for it. Something isn't a "right" if it must be paid for by someone else. The only "rights" are those inalienable rights as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.

So, who do you want to pay for your or your childrens college education? Me? Drop dead!
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Attending public school is free.

Would you like to pay my property tax bill? Most of it goes directly to the public school. I pay! And I don't even have kids in school. When I did have kids that were school aged, we home schooled, and prior to that they went to private school. I didn't get any tax breaks for any of that, so we paid double. And good text books aren't cheap, either.

You need to learn something here. Life isn't a free ride.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Not I. I served the military and was able to go to college on the GI Bill.
I don't like debt and found that if I served 6 years then I could get that college education. It wasn't easy though by any stretch. I held down 3 p/t jobs so I could go to school full time and we lived pretty sparsely while I was going to college. The GI bill only paid for tuition and books.
That pretty much tells all about the kind of nation we've become. Military service has become a tool for many to have access to college education. My house maid's son can vouch for that.

Plus, students laden with debt make for good cheap labor.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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That pretty much tells all about the kind of nation we've become. Military service has become a tool for many to have access to college education. My house maid's son can vouch for that.

Plus, students laden with debt make for good cheap labor.
Why don't you pay your house maid better then?
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What I am suggesting is not Communism. It is simply a public investment to provide a product for corporate consumption that will make more money for the private sector owners of the corporations than they would by having to train their own workers.

My proposed system would also include very strict limitations on importing educated workers or outsourcing the tasks to other economies. The H1b program and exporting engineering tasks to India would be eliminated. My program is an excellent example of America First.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why don't you pay your house maid better then?
I don't think she can complain about that. The problem is the fascist society we have become. People make for good soldiers. Throw them a few crumbs, socialist coverage and they're happy. And so are the masters who benefit from their war machine.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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I don't think she can complain about that. The problem is the fascist society we have become. People make for good soldiers. Throw them a few crumbs, socialist coverage and they're happy. And so are the masters who benefit from their war machine.
It sounds like you're a tight-wad employer who doesn't choose to pay decent wages - and that sir is much of the problem today.

Also people deciding to have children when all they have is a low wage job that can't support their families.

Over one-third of the population in the USA now lives off government handouts, how much more of this can we sustain? It's the elites after all that want all this cheap labor but expect taxpayers to subsidize their servants for them.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It sounds like you're a tight-wad employer who doesn't choose to pay decent wages - and that sir is much of the problem today.
And you know that how?

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Also people deciding to have children when all they have is a low wage job that can't support their families.
And I'm sure you support laws to outlaw people having kids unless they make a certain minimum wage.

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Over one-third of the population in the USA now lives off government handouts, how much more of this can we sustain? It's the elites after all that want all this cheap labor but expect taxpayers to subsidize their servants for them.
And I'm sure that includes veteran benefits, right?
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