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Wisconsin isn't mentioned in that article. Cite a source that says Wisconsin's public employee pensions aren't guaranteed.
Oh don't be an idiot. Use a little common sense for change. If necessary it can happen in Wisconsin just as in any other state. What? Do you need me to bottle feed you the information? If a state budget is trashed bad enough the legislature WILL trim pensions as necessary. Fortunately, the Wisconsin pensions funds are in pretty darned good shape.
As said many, many, many times - the unions AGREED to the CUTS - the only thing they baulked at was the loss of bargaining rights - something for which you cannot show would neccessily result in a SINGLE CENT of savings over that 2 year period. In fact, since the agreements with the unions have ALREADY been made there would ZERO IMPACT on the buget in question - ZERO.
Incorrect. Not all union contracts that will terminate during the 2-year time frame have been renewed.
The only reason the unions are insisting on retaining the ability to bargain collectively is because they FULLY INTEND to force the WI taxpayers to pay more for salary increases and higher benefits costs.
Incorrect. Not all union contracts that will terminate during the 2-year time frame have been renewed.
The only reason the unions are insisting on retaining the ability to bargain collectively is because they FULLY INTEND to force the WI taxpayers to pay more for salary increases and higher benefits costs.
Oh, so now not only do you claim to know what the future holds but you also claim to be able to read the minds of the union negotiators - and FUTURE union negotiators at that.
Sorry, I had no idea I was in the presence of someone so omniscient.
Oh don't be an idiot. Use a little common sense for change. If necessary it can happen in Wisconsin just as in any other state. What? Do you need me to bottle feed you the information?
Translation: you CANNOT cite any source that states Wisconsin's public employee pensions aren't guaranteed.
And about that 'if necessary'... restricting collective bargaining is necessary to address the $3.6 billion budget deficit Doyle left Walker. The unions have been more than happy to accept that necessity, right?
Oh, so now not only do you claim to know what the future holds but you also claim to be able to read the minds of the union negotiators - and FUTURE union negotiators at that.
It's blatantly obvious: The only reason the unions are insisting on retaining the ability to bargain collectively is because they FULLY INTEND to force the WI taxpayers to pay more for salary increases and higher benefits costs.
Translation: you CANNOT cite any source that states Wisconsin's public employee pensions aren't guaranteed.
And about that 'if necessary'... restricting collective bargaining is necessary to address the $3.6 billion budget deficit Doyle left Walker. The unions have been more than happy to accept that necessity, right?
Oh, wait...
No, Translation: They are as "guarenteed" as any other states are "guarenteed" - that is, they are guarenteed as long as the states are willing to pay them.
It's blatantly obvious: The only reason the unions are insisting on retaining the ability to bargain collectively is because they FULLY INTEND to force the WI taxpayers to pay more for salary increases and higher benefits costs.
Oh, "blatently obvious", I see.
You know, there is a technical term for thinking that you somehow "see" things others cannot. It's called "Delusions of Grandeur".
Ken
PS - I tell you what though, what's good enough for the unions workers is good enough for everyone, so what don't we pass a law that ALL WORKERS (private AND public) are limited to pay raises at or less than increases in the cost of living.
We can begin with YOUR pay - especially since you seem to waste so much time here on the internet.
No, Translation: They are as "guarenteed" as any other states are "guarenteed" - that is, they are guarenteed as long as the states are willing to pay them.
If you're insisting that is the case why are unions balking at collective bargaining restrictions? WI is no longer willing to permit unrestricted collective bargaining. Shouldn't the unions just go along with that if what you claim above is true?
You know, there is a technical term for thinking that you somehow "see" things others cannot. It's called "Delusions of Grandeur".
Delusions of Grandeur? That would be the public employee unions, thinking they can forcibly squeeze more money out of the already tapped out taxpayers.
If you're insisting that is the case why are unions balking at collective bargaining restrictions? WI is no longer willing to permit unrestricted collective bargaining. Shouldn't the unions just go along with that if what you claim above is true?
That argument makes no sense at all.
Ken
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