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Old 09-19-2007, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Sorry - show me real statistics from mainstream news or academic reviews, not these jokes that people up in immigration forum land love to toss around in their daily hatefest.
How about the cop in Phoenix, shot in face yesterday, and died, at the hands of an illegal immigrant - who had been deported previously?

Is this a decent example for you?
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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How about the cop in Phoenix, shot in face yesterday, and died, at the hands of an illegal immigrant - who had been deported previously?

Is this a decent example for you?

Great example. what are the ratio of cops that have died by illegals compared to cops that have died by citizens recently?
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Sorry - show me real statistics from mainstream news or academic reviews, not these jokes that people up in immigration forum land love to toss around in their daily hatefest.

According to the Justice Department, 6 percent of prisoners in this country are noncitizens (compared with 7 percent of the population). For a variety of reasons, the crime rate is actually lower among immigrants than natives.

http://ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf (broken link)

Lou Dobbs tried to say there are thousands of illegal lepers coming over, which has been proven to be complete BS as well.
Those " Made up statistics' come from the CDC, American Medical Association, Bellevue Hospitals Hansens disease Clinic, NJ Medical Schools National TB Center and quite a few reports from Local hospitals about cases they have, from all over the country. As far as the crime, they come from the NS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants
2006 (First Quarter)"
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Great example. what are the ratio of cops that have died by illegals compared to cops that have died by citizens recently?
Why the hell should that matter!!!!!!!! He would most likely be alive if it wasnt for an illegal, not to mention all the other people killed by illegals.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program.

So let me guess all those crimes are made up too!
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:35 AM
 
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That is ridiculous garbage. That Lou Dobbs piece was completely false about disease, and ignorant people run with it. Show me your statistics for illegal criminality and disease if you are going to spout this trash.

You don't like them here? Then go after the people that employ them. And you better getter an official guest worker program in place quick if you want the menial jobs in our society to get done.
Criminal Aliens Find Americans Easy Prey, Especially with Revolving Door Border
It seems our nation's borders have become a revolving door for criminal illegal aliens.
According to newly released government figures, many are simply reentering the country through our porous southern border.
Last year, ICE deported nearly 200,000 illegal aliens. About 45 percent of them, just under 89,000, had criminal records.

During the same time period, the Border Patrol caught 69,000 people with previous criminal convictions trying to illegally enter the United States.

Border Patrol agents estimate they apprehend at best one of every four illegal crossers. By that calculation, it's likely as many as 200,000 criminals made it across the border, or about the same number that ICE deported.
One of the more notorious cases involved Demetro Acosta-Uribe. He has four felony convictions, was deported three times, and caught trying to cross the border twice. Now he faces murder charges in Arizona and if convicted, the death penalty.
He's pleaded not guilty. According to Andrew Thomas, Maricopa County Attoorney, "When federal authorities catch somebody who is a known criminal, he needs to be punished for illegally entering the country.

And that is by and large not done, which is pretty amazing. And this is a case that shows the dangers that come from the lack of arrest and prosecution of illegal immigrants.
" Local law enforcement agencies along the borders say the federal government should seek prison time instead of deportation for criminal illegal aliens because it's too easy for them to return to the United States.

In the year ended August 31st, the Border Patrol says it caught illegal aliens previously convicted of more than 6,700 violent crimes. They included 789 robberies, 430 sexual assaults and 286 homicides.
FOR THE CAUSE - ForTheCause.us
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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So lets' look at your first piece of "evidence". leprosy is on the rise. quoted from your website. The article has a couple of doctors stating leprosy is on the rise. It also has other doctors saying leprosy is not on the rise and this fear is overblown. The actual yearly recorded cases of leprosy from the US government do not show any rise. Alarmism feeding into nativist fears.


Leprosy in America: new cause for concern — JSCMS (http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-03-15/whitford-americanleprosy/ - broken link)
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Why the hell should that matter!!!!!!!! He would most likely be alive if it wasnt for an illegal, not to mention all the other people killed by illegals.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program.

So let me guess all those crimes are made up too!
The point being there are criminal elements amnong all populations. statistics show that the percentage is roughly the same for hardened crime if you are illegal (6%) or not (7%). So don't paint all illegals as criminals, or you might as well paint our entire society as criminals.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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So lets' look at your first piece of "evidence". leprosy is on the rise. quoted from your website. The article has a couple of doctors stating leprosy is on the rise. It also has other doctors saying leprosy is not on the rise and this fear is overblown. The actual yearly recorded cases of leprosy from the US government do not show any rise. Alarmism feeding into nativist fears.


Leprosy in America: new cause for concern — JSCMS (http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2005-03-15/whitford-americanleprosy/ - broken link)

One of the imports to this country is chagas disease. It is caused by a parasite known as trypanosome. It is a blood-borne disease and is spread by triatomine insects. The parasite burrows into human tissue (usually in the face), where it then begins to multiply. In addition to being spread by insects, it can also be contracted through blood transfusions.

After cases of chagas were reportedly discovered to have been spread by transfusions in Canada, that nation began testing all blood donations for the disease.

For 40 years, the number of recorded cases of leprosy within the United States totaled 900. Today, we know of more than 7,000 current cases of leprosy in the U.S.

Dr. John Levis of New York's Bellevue Hospital's Hansen Disease Clinic said of America's documented cases of leprosy: 'There are probably many, many more and they are spreading."

Most of those in the U.S. who are suffering from leprosy are from Mexico, India, Brazil, and the Caribbean. However, there are a few documented cases in which the person became infected with leprosy inside the U.S. The majority of the cases have been discovered in this nation's northeastern region.

Once thought to be nearly eradicated in this country, TB is now making a strong comeback. In a recent interview with Mother Jones Magazine, Dr. Reichman of The New Jersey TB Clinic recently said: In the 1990's, cases among foreign born Americans rose from 29 percent to 41.6 percent. Antibiotic resistant strains from Mexico have migrated to Texas. Since three years ago, 16,000 new cases of TB were discovered in the United States. Half were foreign born. Strains of TB once only found in Mexico have migrated to the border states of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. It will move north as illegal aliens work in restaurants as cooks, dishwashers, and food handlers. We sit on the edge of a potential catastrophe."

In 2001, New York's Tuberculosis Control Program discovered that 81 percent of that city's new cases of TB were attributed to immigrants

Cases of TB are now being found in many areas of the country, where there are high concentrations of illegal immigrants. In March of 2002, The Washington Post reported that Virginia's Prince William County experienced a 188 percent increase of TB infections over the previous year. Yes, the streets of Prince William County are over-run with illegal aliens seeking day-laborer jobs.

Last year, the rate of TB in the northern part of Virginia rose 17 percent. The Va. Department of Health blamed the rise on that region's recent flood of illegal immigrants. Many strains of TB are being found in certain neighborhoods, which are dominated by illegal Latin American immigrants.


According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate. Dr. Nickey also states that leprosy, which is considered by most Americans to be a disease of the Third World, is readily evident along the U.S.-Mexico border and that dysentery is several times the U.S. rate ... People have come to the border for economic opportunities, but the necessary sewage treatment facilities, public water systems, environmental enforcement, and medical care have not been made available to them, causing a severe risk to health and well being of people on both sides of the border.”1

“The pork tapeworm, which thrives in Latin America and Mexico, is showing up along the U.S. border, threatening to ravage victims with symptoms ranging from seizures to death. ... The same [Mexican] underclass has migrated north to find jobs on the border, bringing the parasite and the sickness—cysticercosis—its eggs can cause[.] Cysts that form around the larvae usually lodge in the brain and destroy tissue, causing hallucinations, speech and vision problems, severe headaches, strokes, epileptic seizures, and in rare cases death.”2

The problem, however, is not confined to the border region, as illegal immigrants have rapidly spread across the country into many new economic sectors such as food processing, construction, and hospitality services.

Typhoid struck Silver Spring, Maryland, in 1992 when an immigrant from the Third World (who had been working in food service in the United States for almost two years) transmitted the bacteria through food at the McDonald’s where she worked. River blindness, malaria, and guinea worm, have all been brought to Northern Virginia by immigration.3

"By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."

“What is unseen is their [illegal aliens’] free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors.”

—Madeleine Peiner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring 2005

Contrary to common belief, tuberculosis (TB) has not been wiped out in the United States, mostly due to illegal migration. In 1995, there was an outbreak of TB in an Alexandria high school, when 36 high-school students caught the disease from a foreign student.4 The four greatest immigrant magnet states have over half the TB cases in the U.S.5 In 1992, 27 percent of the TB cases in the United States were among the foreign-born; in California, it was 61 percent of the cases; in Hawaii, 83 percent; and in Washington state, 46 percent. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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The point being there are criminal elements amnong all populations. statistics show that the percentage is roughly the same for hardened crime if you are illegal (6%) or not (7%). So don't paint all illegals as criminals, or you might as well paint our entire society as criminals.
Point is, we dont need their crime, we have enough of our own. ALL ILLEGALS are criminals, they break our laws just by being here.
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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From my prospective as a near future collector of Social Security we should legalize immigration and open the borders completely. Just be absolutely certain that all these people pay into the SS tax system. Those that avoid getting a card and paying the tax should be deported and/or simply shot.

And everybody thought I was a wimpish liberal.
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