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Old 03-16-2011, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Would't that solve the problem??
lol yes if you think the entire problem is the pollution alone and dont look at the related consequences, like what happens to the community if the plant closes, what are the costs to the plant to stay open, what are the costs if it closes. Civil suits work just fine. Hit someone in the wallet and they pay attention. If a plant can make money with pollution safeguards in place they will stay open.
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Old 03-16-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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Seriously? "SourceWatch" as a source?
Your reply is a pitiful attempt to negate the thruth. There are uncountable sites which state the same info. Why would you think that this is not factual? The industries that have made the Kochs wealthy are the usual perpatrators of unregulated pollution. Common sense dictates this fact and any idiot would connect the dots.

What is with you people that are always on the side of greed and corruption? Are you paid trolls? In all honesty, I cannot figure this insane reasoning out. Don't you live on this planet and breath the same air and drink the same water that the rest of us do?

Koch Brothers Thrive but Reefs in Serious Danger | FUTURISM

A glimpse of the Koch Brothers' dirty money network | Greenpeace USA

Koch Brothers Behind Environment Killing Measures

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Old 03-16-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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There is no proof they are doing it.

This merits a report and investigation.

Nothing more.
I wonder if you're the sort of person who will, on one hand, say that there is no proof --- and on the other hand, try to convince congress to cut the EPA's budget so they don't have the resources to prove it in the first place. That is, if you aren't busy advocating for a more toothless EPA, with weaker environmental standards.

straight from the EPA, the Georgia-Pacific facility has an EPA permit at this facility to discharge lead and methanol into the river.

EPA IDEA Query Results

EPA's information system also shows that G-P has violated standards for dissolved oxygen, dissolved solids, carbonaceous biochemical oxygen demand, and "Oil and Grease."

georgia-pacific paper mill posts - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

^Here's a link to a photo of the alleged pollution.

http://www.peer.org/docs/ar/3_16_11_Coffee_Creek_Enforcement_Complaint.pdf?tag =contentMain;contentBody (broken link)

^ Here's details on the accusations. Apparently, state environmental regulators have completely fallen down on the job, and the riverkeepers group is having to appeal to the EPA just to have bare minimum regulation.

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Old 03-16-2011, 11:48 AM
 
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lol yes if you think the entire problem is the pollution alone and dont look at the related consequences, like what happens to the community if the plant closes, what are the costs to the plant to stay open, what are the costs if it closes. Civil suits work just fine. Hit someone in the wallet and they pay attention. If a plant can make money with pollution safeguards in place they will stay open.
Yeppers.

This is one of the problems with heavy industry in the US.

Our codes have driven them out.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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I wonder if you're the sort of person who will, on one hand, say that there is no proof --- and on the other hand, try to convince congress to cut the EPA's budget so they don't have the resources to prove it in the first place. That is, if you aren't busy advocating for a more toothless EPA, with weaker environmental standards.

straight from the EPA, the Georgia-Pacific facility has an EPA permit at this facility to discharge lead and methanol into the river.

EPA IDEA Query Results

EPA's information system also shows that G-P has violated standards for dissolved oxygen, dissolved solids, carbonaceous biochemical oxygen demand, and "Oil and Grease."

georgia-pacific paper mill posts - CBS News Investigates - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-31727_162-10391695.html?keyword=georgia-pacific+paper+mill - broken link)

^Here's a link to a photo of the alleged pollution.

http://www.peer.org/docs/ar/3_16_11_Coffee_Creek_Enforcement_Complaint.pdf?tag =contentMain;contentBody (broken link)

^ Here's details on the accusations. Apparently, state regulators are also falling down on the job.
I deal with the EPA on job sites all the time.

I also see much waste and many agencies doing the same job.

I agree an investigation is in order.
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Old 03-16-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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I deal with the EPA on job sites all the time.
what do you know, me too.

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I also see much waste and many agencies doing the same job.
that's funny. i see an agency that was crippled by the bush administration's swiss-cheese approach to environmental regulations, and state level agencies run by right-wing baby boomers whose environmental attitude can be summed up as: "Bo, a lil merc'ry in the woooter ain't gon' hurtcha"
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