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Old 03-17-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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You were under the illusion that Japan does NOT have "trash"?
Not me. I see trash everywhere.

 
Old 03-17-2011, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Yup, it's not looting, it's trying to survive. These people who criticize as they sit in their comfy warm safe homes , stuffed to their gills with food....they will deny it but if they were in the same circumstances they would do the SAME THING!
Sorry, no. Hurricanes are similar natural disasters and I've been through three direct hits from Category 3 and 4s when we lived in Florida, two of which were devastating.

Not only did my family not loot and steal or consider doing so, but NOBODY in our suburban neighborhood did. We all had cookouts before the fridge and freezer food spoiled; we shared generators to keep food cold for future cookouts. Co-workers volunteered their time to visit every corporation employee's homes to provide help and patch roofs if needed, the day after the storms.

In fact, the only crimes we ever had in the area, unsupervised juveniles breaking into the houses of working people, didn't happen at all during the months when electricity was off and everyone was re-building and cleaning up.

Since Japan is not a closed society and has non-Japanese living there; I'll bet it turns out to be non-Japanese who did the looting. Decent people do NOT loot simply because the police are nowhere to be found, and it takes a VERY long time to starve to death, so that's not a choice anyone in America has to face.
 
Old 03-17-2011, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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It's not culture. It's the human condition.
Funny, I said that a week ago:
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Not only that, they're attempting to compare what's happening in the immediate aftermath of the tsunami to what started happening after days without resources or rescue, by people who were literally trapped and starving in New Orleans.

Not to mention, they're begin disgracefully racist, considering that white people were "looting", or as they said, "finding" food, too. I think if you were trapped without food or water and no assistance or rescue, you'd resort to taking what you needed to survive, too. I would, and I wouldn't feel an ounce of remorse. I'm not going to die for the sake of some misguided moral authority.
And I stand by that assessment. I am 100% certain that every single solitary person posting in this thread (and the other one) would steal what they needed if they were trapped in a massive disaster, be it food, water, dry clothing, shoes. Hell, I bet they'd even steal a television set after a week in a disaster area where their entire community was gutted and flooded, with absolutely nothing to do all day every day, and no way of seeing any news reports without one!
 
Old 03-17-2011, 11:30 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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So are you saying the people in Japan stripped the supermarkets, warehouses and etc before the earthquake and the tsunami?
No, what he (and the rest of the usual suspects) is saying is that it acknowledging the truth of your OP goes against their agenda of bashing Blacks (and Blacks only) in regards to survivng in the aftermath of a natural disaster.
 
Old 03-17-2011, 11:32 PM
 
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I thought we all agreed that taking food in a disaster is not really looting, no matter who you are. Right?
It's looting, by definition. Whatever moral culpability rules one wants to apply to such circumstances are independent of the fact that it is still looting, and the definition doesn't change because of exigency.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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So are you saying the people in Japan stripped the supermarkets, warehouses and etc before the earthquake and the tsunami?
No, I'm saying they sold out and could not get re-supplied immediately.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 05:00 AM
 
Location: North America
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Desperate people do desperate things.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If a food store is abandoned why should people let it go to waste? So long as you are taking what you need and not selling it to others you are doing no harm and committing no crime. Collecting food or shelter to survive is not a sin.

Survival trumps "sacred" property values during emergencies. IMHO it trumps property values all the time.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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If a food store is abandoned why should people let it go to waste? So long as you are taking what you need and not selling it to others you are doing no harm and committing no crime. Collecting food or shelter to survive is not a sin. Survival trumps "sacred" property values during emergencies. IMHO it trumps property values all the time.
What if yours was the house that crowds of looters decided to steal from, cleaning out from your cellar the canned and packaged food you'd put away for your family in case of emergency?
 
Old 03-18-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Please note I said ABANDONED FOOD STORE. That is scavanging, not stealing.

I did not say steal from a private residence occupied by the owners.
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