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First of all this isn't a "let's smear Trump" thread.
Second, regardless if he said it was 100 percent sold,
in 2006, if you had sold 3/4 of anything in Vegas -
would be almost a miracle. The economy there was
already falling. So, he's excited about his ventures.
So he puffs up his wealth. He is a business man.
The Thumper is a birther. Smear and ridicule is appropriate for such people.
"under the jurisdiction of" doesn't mean dual countries.
Actually it doesn't. Under the Jurisdiction of means that you are on that COUNTRY's soil, and only if you are not an abmassador and/or a enemy combatant on US Soil.
That is why even illegal aliens children who are born on US soil are citizens at birth.
Wow, talk about twisting definitions.
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The focus of this thread is our current President, however, I do not believe Jefferson renounced his citizenship.
Nice hand wave.
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You are playing a trick suggesting that because he lived there, he was a citizen of France. He was minister to France 1784-1789.
According to the usages and understanding of all nations a man may have all the rights of a naturalized citizen or subject in his adopted country, and yet retain all his relations, civil and political, in his native country. For instances, the Marqui La Fayette was naturalized in the United States, but retained every such relation to France. So Mr. Jefferson was naturalized in France and there made a French citizen, and he had gone there would have been entitled to all the rights there of an adopted citizen, but he certainly retained all his relations to the United States, his rights and duties as a native citizen, and was in fact after such naturalization, elected President of the United States.
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My grandfather was Irish, that does not make me Irish.
Before 1986, as Kennedy was born, he was considered an Irish Citizen because of his Grandfather (who was born in Ireland). He automatically became an Irish Citizen at birth.
Thereby he held two citizenship at birth: US Citizenship and Irish Citizenship
He didn't renounce his Irish Citizenship (as it wasn't required at the time he was born and his life).
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A person may be an Irish citizen through birth, descent, marriage to an Irish citizen or through naturalisation.
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My father was a U.S. citizen, as my mother, and I was born here, making me a natural born.
You are playing games. They both met the requirement of being born on U.S. soils, to 2 U.S. citizens. This isn't that hard.
There is not a single current judge, congressman, constitutional scholar or law professor who agrees with your interpretation of the natural born citizen clause. There have been former Presidents, VPs, major party nominees and candidates who had alien parents, and none of them had their eligibility for office seriously questioned on that basis.
i'd like to think that i was that noble and my motives were to fight for the truth...... but in all honesty it's a morbid fascination that drives me.
That's understandable, birthers are an odd phenomena. I do believe in the truth first, but I suppose I am also motivated by an extreme aversion to stupidity, and people who ignore all real evidence in favor of silly theories.
He can't provide something that he doesn't have. Why do you think that he has it?
BTW you have no right to see any documents unless they are publicly published. The COLB is a private document.
Most young adults in the 1960's-1970's were concerned
about a birth certificate, if they worked. You are treating
Obama, as if he was a baby, and went to his mother for
everything, after the age of 16.
I'm not interested in a COLB of a person born in another
country. You didn't have to send in your BC when you
renewed your passport, because they already have it on
file. So, they would have Obama's as well. That practice
of giving certificates of live birth to those not born in hospitals in HI, by affidavit, was going on long before 1982.
I do not believe that Obama was born in the United States. Doesn't matter to me who else says he was. If that makes me "stupid" to those who think he is a US citizen, I don't care.
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