The NEXT Trillion to be spent, where are the protests from the right? (Limbaugh, Ron Paul)

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

Maybe an oversimplification, but we have enough firepower on one subamarine to eliminate most of mankind.
How much more do we need?

Well the enemies we may be facing in the near future are not going to meet us out on the open oceans of the Atlantic or Pacific, nor are they going to meet us in the sky, as America already has dominance in these areas by a very wide margin. The enemy we are likely to face comes in the form of disjointed groups and organizations that fight guerrilla styled conflicts. So while our most expensive tools of war hang out training for a future mission against the Cylons from space, our soldiers are wondering why their humvee's lack armor and ask why does the government want to cut veterans benefits when they finish their duty.

That's right, The F-35 is the most expensive defense program in history, and reveals massive cost overruns, a lack of clear strategic thought, and a culture in Washington that encourages incredible waste.

Even Robert Gates acknowledges that right now is not the best time to be progressing such programs and expenditures, to an audience too worried about earmarks to care.

[AeroGuyDC]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

Glad to know you like spending like a drunken liberal. Noted, for any future reference when you moan about government spending.

Not sure how you deciphered that from my post. I also didn't see you post available objective data showing that other program costs will be phased out as the F-35 comes online, thus offsetting the "trillion" you speak of. You also fail to mention that the aircraft is slated to be used in all of our armed services, not just the Air Force which is normally the case, thus providing another level of savings through cross-leveling. Effectively, all you've done is try to put the blame on the right for a vastly over-budget program, while not actually putting any real, relevant thought into the program you're railing against.

The bottom line is that your missive is an attempt to make the right own up to a program that actually got its beginnings in the Clinton Administration.

I'm not buying it. (Pun intended.)

[KellyJSmith]

Originally Posted by TempesT68

Good post and I agree the republicans and tea party are not for fiscal responsibility what so ever. Never have been, never will be. They spend, spend, spend like maniacs on their projects regardless of the consequences or state of the country.

I remember years ago listening to talk radio and a caller said that the Republican and Democrat parties are not that much different.

The Democrats say lets hurry and become a socialist country.

The Rebublicans say just slow down a bit because we are getting there.

Well,we are now officially there.
With our government using the bailout mentality to support failed financial system which amounts to guaranteeing the large salaries of those that failed at their jobs.
The Dems seem to think it is better to try and take back those large salaries they are guaranteeing thru taxation.
The problem with that is the failures are still in place.
And the reason they failed is still being implemented.
The Rebulicans as a whole are not addressing the problems either.
They just keep down the same path of tax reductions to even out all the legislation that inteferes with making a company profitable.
But again,the same failures stay in charge.

It has gotten to the point where our professional white collar workers are nothing more than patronage and do not even know about the rules and laws governing their industry.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is the largest evidence of this.

Those 2 companies have ruined the titles of tens of millions of properties.
There is huge numbers of homeowners that will pay 30 years on a mortgage only to find out that they do not own their property free and clear.
And it was done in a systematic fashion with MERS and most of the securities those 2 created.
As you may have seen news about illegal foreclosures.
That is only a symptom of the underlying problem.
And also the reason Democrats and Republicans are behaving the way they do.
Because both parties are up to their eyeballs in the massive fraud involving trillions of dollars and a new form of homeownership that is equal to people only leasing what they think they are buying.
Where certain banks become the only ones that will loan on certain properties.
So either the homeowners and buyers pay the fees the banks come up with or they don't buy or be able tosell their property.
Because a cash buyer will not pay the high prices these houses have sold for in the past because there is not a free and clear title.
Which again,amounts to a different form of property ownership than the homeowners agreed to when the loans were made.

HUD has already created a system to control what is coming.
And it includes selling houses to certain individuals based on their employment at a 50% discount and allowing exculsive territories for approved non profits that they will sell to them a house for $1.

OH YAH ! IT IS REAL!

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC

Not sure how you deciphered that from my post. I also didn't see you post available objective data showing that other program costs will be phased out as the F-35 comes online, thus offsetting the "trillion" you speak of. You also fail to mention that the aircraft is slated to be used in all of our armed services, not just the Air Force which is normally the case, thus providing another level of savings through cross-leveling. Effectively, all you've done is try to put the blame on the right for a vastly over-budget program, while not actually putting any real, relevant thought into the program you're railing against.

The bottom line is that your missive is an attempt to make the right own up to a program that actually got its beginnings in the Clinton Administration.

I'm not buying it. (Pun intended.)

The point is that this is the most expensive military program in the history of the world at a time when we are economically pinched in a huge way. I don't give a damn whether Clinton started it, Bush started it or Obama did, the point is that the right whines and moans about spending, but are silent on the biggest spending issues this country faces.

You like many on the right detach from the concept that our military expenditures are directly related to our economic health as a nation. I might give those on the right a pass if they actually had the courage of their convictions and joined the military and remained there until we accomplish "victory".

Anyone who supports immorally spending borrowed money from future generations not yet born on offensive tools of war that are simply unnecessary can only wish for the destruction of America by spending ourselves flat broke.

[TnHilltopper]

Originally Posted by KellyJSmith

You think it is fair to say our government is following Soviet Union collapse strategy ?
By spending until every thing falls apart.
And trying to build up arms to defend with after the collapse.
Quite simply the US will continue to be the United Nations police force but for hire.
It is the One World Government thing with the US taking it's place as the war machine.

A great analogy, as memories of bread lines for several blocks to get the chance to buy a stale loaf of bread while their government tried to keep on par with US spending. Oddly, the US is now considered the sole superpower and spends more now than it did during the cold war when we faced an actual enemy on par with us.

We have come to embrace the very things that led to the collapse of the former Soviet Union, a strong central government and a lust for militarism.

[HappyTexan]

Congress has yet to pass a budget. They just keep kicking this can down the road..extensions and raising the debt ceiling as we go.

No one want to cut "their" pet projects. I don't see any debt reduction anytime soon coming from our government leaders.

[AeroGuyDC]

Originally Posted by TnHilltopper

The point is that this is the most expensive military program in the history of the world at a time when we are economically pinched in a huge way. I don't give a damn whether Clinton started it, Bush started it or Obama did, the point is that the right whines and moans about spending, but are silent on the biggest spending issues this country faces.

You like many on the right detach from the concept that our military expenditures are directly related to our economic health as a nation. I might give those on the right a pass if they actually had the courage of their convictions and joined the military and remained there until we accomplish "victory".

Anyone who supports immorally spending borrowed money from future generations not yet born on offensive tools of war that are simply unnecessary can only wish for the destruction of America by spending ourselves flat broke.

First of all, you need to specify who you consider "the right." Are we talking politicians or are we talking citizens?

If you haven't heard citizens on the right demanding balanced budgets, then all I can say is that you're not as clued in as you purport yourself to be. I'm not familiar with a single person in my "circle" who has said that military budgets are off the table when it comes to spending cuts. And you could say that my "circle" is ferociously fiscally conservative. I surmise that most fiscal conservatives are right in line with my viewpoint.

If you're talking politicians on the right, then yes there remains much progress to be made to achieve fiscal sanity.

But putting this expensive program on the "right" is just more forum-worthy non-sense.

[KellyJSmith]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

Congress has yet to pass a budget. They just keep kicking this can down the road..extensions and raising the debt ceiling as we go.

No one want to cut "their" pet projects. I don't see any debt reduction anytime soon coming from our government leaders.

I don't think it will slow down until the obvious happens.
A central world banking system that prints it's own currency.
And as usual the perps will get the masses to beg for it.

[pvande55]

If it creates enough jobs maybe it's worth it. Wasn't that always part of the justification for other useless weapons projects? "It's indestructible, it contains parts made in every Congressional district!"

[TRUEGRITT]

Tn, I am not one for painting up a sign and heading for the streets in protest, I instead let my vote talk for me. I would like to think that these planes are needed in some way that you or I do not completely understand, but I am not foolish enough to think that there is no pork that cannot be cut in the defense budget.

I guess I am trying to say that IMHO we need to use a scalpel as much as possible and a saw when we have to.

I know we are broke but I would hate to give China, Russia, or any other potential enemy the idea that if we went to war, in a conventional (non nuclear) way, that they could win.

In the end it comes back to what we have talked about before, we know that the powers that be are not necessarily thinking of you and I when they decide how to spend our money.

I keep thinking that it is the vote that got us here and it seems that process hasn't worked very well. I am lost for an answer because of the golden rule which is the real problem and the real question is how do we deal with that?