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Old 03-19-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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canada has a lot going for it. if canada had mexican weather, it would be the one of the nicest countries on the planet. nevertheless, I for one would love to live in vancouver for a few years if the opportunity arose.
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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I distinctly remember kazoopilot saying that many a time on his topic "I've had enough of capitalism". Is he also well aware that the Canadian Conservative Party is running the show up there, and not the Liberals and NDP? I haven't checked lately but last time I checked, the Tories had a majority or near majority in government, and Harper's on his 2nd term and may be going on to a 3rd



Yes lol. Nobody can miss that fact, especially the most uninformed American (maybe ). That's what I like about Canada though. That it is a fiscally conservative country. I wish we showed a lot more fiscal restraint here.

Aren't your provinces less federalized as well? I'm not sure how the mechanics of Canadian government work when it comes to federalism (I know it's a blend of Westminster Parliament and U.S. federalism though)
The fact that provinces can temporarily override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or at least certain parts of it, has left Canadians with a slightly flawed document.

No other Constitution in any other democratic and free nation has an amending formula that actually allows for some basic rights and freedoms to be suspended for such a prolonged (extended) period of time. On the other hand, the reluctance of provincial governments to actually invoke the notwithstanding clause means that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has the power to bind our governments to its provisions. As we will discover in the following chapter, attempts by any governments to remove those rights and freedoms have met with such overwhelming criticism from Canadians that the decision to invoke the notwithstanding clause by any government in the future would have to be a carefully thought out one indeed.

The fact that the notwithstanding clause has almost never been used indicates that convention alone has deterred any government from exercising this privilege without creating a national crisis
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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The fact that provinces can temporarily override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or at least certain parts of it, has left Canadians with a slightly flawed document.

No other Constitution in any other democratic and free nation has an amending formula that actually allows for some basic rights and freedoms to be suspended for such a prolonged (extended) period of time. On the other hand, the reluctance of provincial governments to actually invoke the notwithstanding clause means that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has the power to bind our governments to its provisions. As we will discover in the following chapter, attempts by any governments to remove those rights and freedoms have met with such overwhelming criticism from Canadians that the decision to invoke the notwithstanding clause by any government in the future would have to be a carefully thought out one indeed.

The fact that the notwithstanding clause has almost never been used indicates that convention alone has deterred any government from exercising this privilege without creating a national crisis
Has it ever been used before or after the fall of 1970?
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:01 PM
 
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canada has a lot going for it. if canada had mexican weather, it would be the one of the nicest countries on the planet. nevertheless, I for one would love to live in vancouver for a few years if the opportunity arose.
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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Has it ever been used before or after the fall of 1970?
yup The limitations clause has also allowed governments to enact laws that would be considered unconstitutional in the US. The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld some of Quebec's limits on the use of English.

The Sovereignty Option
1976, the Parti Québecois was elected to a majority government in Quebec City in the National Assembly. Headed by a charismatic separatist named René Levesque, this new party promised greater power for Quebec, reflecting the changes brought on by the Quiet Revolution. Additionally, Premier Levesque promised that he would hold a provincial referendum that would question whether or not Quebecers would want to have a “sovereignty association” with Canada giving Quebec a semi-national status. A referendum is a non-binding vote on a question of importance that citizens decide upon. The first referendum was held in early 1980 and Quebecers voted “non” to the proposal after a heated debate.

After the Quebec referendum, meetings on repatriating the constitution resumed. However, while negotiations for a new Canadian constitution progressed, the separatist Quebec leader placed special conditions on signing his name to a constitutional agreement. Levesque demanded an outright transfer of powers to Quebec in a number of areas, essentially partitioning (transferring) entire federal powers in section 91 of the BNA Act to section 92. The personal animosity (meaning bitterness) between Trudeau and Levesque was intense. The two Quebecers viewed federalism in entirely different ways.
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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yup The limitations clause has also allowed governments to enact laws that would be considered unconstitutional in the US. The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld some of Quebec's limits on the use of English.

The Sovereignty Option
1976, the Parti Québecois was elected to a majority government in Quebec City in the National Assembly. Headed by a charismatic separatist named René Levesque, this new party promised greater power for Quebec, reflecting the changes brought on by the Quiet Revolution. Additionally, Premier Levesque promised that he would hold a provincial referendum that would question whether or not Quebecers would want to have a “sovereignty association” with Canada giving Quebec a semi-national status. A referendum is a non-binding vote on a question of importance that citizens decide upon. The first referendum was held in early 1980 and Quebecers voted “non” to the proposal after a heated debate.

After the Quebec referendum, meetings on repatriating the constitution resumed. However, while negotiations for a new Canadian constitution progressed, the separatist Quebec leader placed special conditions on signing his name to a constitutional agreement. Levesque demanded an outright transfer of powers to Quebec in a number of areas, essentially partitioning (transferring) entire federal powers in section 91 of the BNA Act to section 92. The personal animosity (meaning bitterness) between Trudeau and Levesque was intense. The two Quebecers viewed federalism in entirely different ways.
And now Quebec can further regulate who's allowed to emigrate to Quebec (except, of course, the loophole that people can move to Ontario and move to Quebec later on)

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The fact that provinces can temporarily override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, or at least certain parts of it, has left Canadians with a slightly flawed document.

No other Constitution in any other democratic and free nation has an amending formula that actually allows for some basic rights and freedoms to be suspended for such a prolonged (extended) period of time. On the other hand, the reluctance of provincial governments to actually invoke the notwithstanding clause means that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms has the power to bind our governments to its provisions. As we will discover in the following chapter, attempts by any governments to remove those rights and freedoms have met with such overwhelming criticism from Canadians that the decision to invoke the notwithstanding clause by any government in the future would have to be a carefully thought out one indeed.

The fact that the notwithstanding clause has almost never been used indicates that convention alone has deterred any government from exercising this privilege without creating a national crisis
You also don't have a broad right to free speech that we do here. Your clause int he Charter says that free speech can have "reasonable regulations"
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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And now Quebec can further regulate who's allowed to emigrate to Quebec (except, of course, the loophole that people can move to Ontario and move to Quebec later on)



You also don't have a broad right to free speech that we do here. Your clause int he Charter says that free speech can have "reasonable regulations"
yes that true we don't have total freedom of speech but it never really is a issue up here though you pretty much say what you want.

The constitutional provision that guarantees Freedom of expression in Canada is section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: ... (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communicationDue to section 1 of the Charter, the so-called limitation clause, Canada's freedom of expression is not absolute and can be limited under certain situations. Section 1 of the Charter states:

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. (emphasis added)This section is double-edged. First it implies that a limitation on freedom of speech prescribed in law can be permitted if it can be justified as being a reasonable limit in a free and democratic society. Conversely, it implies that a restriction can be invalidated if it cannot be shown to be a reasonable limit in a free and democratic society.

there are alot of loopholes and holes in our Charter of basic human rights which with freespeech limited I guess we are not a free and democratic society in the real sense but yet we still are

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Old 03-19-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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Canada has a perception among many in the U.S. as being a socialist country. However, Canada actually has a freer economy than the United States, and it is rated as one of the freest economies in the world:

Alberta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Economy of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Economic Freedom of the World - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet, they still manage to provide universal healthcare and unlimited unemployment to their citizens, and have a balanced national budget. Why is that? Why do you think that is?

My opinion is that it's all based on one thing: Canada has strict limits on campaign contributions. Lobbying is almost nonexistent. Their politicians are not bought and paid for like ours here in the States.
We don't have a capitalist run system, nor a free market, but one run by an oligarch.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yet, they still manage to provide universal healthcare and unlimited unemployment to their citizens, and have a balanced national budget. Why is that? Why do you think that is?

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Canada's federal budget is not balanced and has a deficit of 40 billion dollars.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Has it ever been used before or after the fall of 1970?
The law that was invoked by the federal government in Quebec 1970 was the War Measures Act, not the Constitution.

The Constitution with the temporary overrides to Charter rights only came into effect in 1982.
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