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View Poll Results: Do you support calling for an end to executions based on sexual orientation?
Yes. People should not be executed based on sexual orientation no matter where they live. 39 66.10%
No. The decision should be left up to each individual country. 20 33.90%
Not sure 0 0%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-23-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Um, no.

The Obama administration is supporting a resolution calling for the abolition of executions based upon sexual orientation. Hence the Obama administration wants to stop, and is acting to stop, executions based upon sexual orientation.

The Bush administration chose not to support a resolution calling for the abolition of executions based upon sexual orientation. Hence the Bush administration had a position of not wanting, and not acting, to stop executions based upon sexual orientation.

Just because you don't execute homosexuals yourself, doesn't mean you're leading an effort to stop the execution of homosexuals.
No.. not supporting a resolution doesnt equate to supporing the executions of people..

Many didnt support hate crimes legislation but that doesnt mean they support the assulting of people who were gay either.

The title very clearly says Obama wants to STOP executions, reversing the Bushs position.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The Bush Administration reached out to women in the Middle East and spoke openly about giving them more rights. If the argument is that Obama is pandering to homosexuals, then you must also think that Bush was pandering to women.

Women Are Agents of Change Around the World, State's Hughes Says
But....But....But....George W. Bush!


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08 September 2006
Women Are Agents of Change Around the World, State's Hughes Says

Who's vote would you figure Bush was pandering for in 2006?
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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No.. not supporting a resolution doesnt equate to supporing the executions of people..

Many didnt support hate crimes legislation but that doesnt mean they support the assulting of people who were gay either.

The title very clearly says Obama wants to STOP executions, reversing the Bushs position.
I never said that. You misread quite often.

If your position is "to want to stop," then the opposite position is "to not want to stop." That's why I said:

"The Bush administration had a position of not wanting...to stop executions based upon sexual orientation"

The Obama administration reversed this position (from "not wanting to stop" to "wanting to stop"). I never claimed the Bush administration had a position of supporting executions based upon sexual orientation.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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We have too much immorality in our own society. How can we presume to impose it on other societies?
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I'm pretty sure we don't execute people in the US based on sexual orientation and while my memory isn't that great we didn't execute anyone under the Bush administration for sexual orientation either... I voted no because this should be left entirely up to the individual countries, we aren't and we should stop trying to be the world's police since we can't even police our own country properly.
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But on the other hand are we to push our standards on every other country? Do we tell others not to oppress their women? Do we stand up tp stop child labor? We are not the world police and have no right to force our beliefs on other countries.

^^^All of these^^^
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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No.. not supporting a resolution doesnt equate to supporing the executions of people..

Many didnt support hate crimes legislation but that doesnt mean they support the assulting of people who were gay either.

The title very clearly says Obama wants to STOP executions, reversing the Bushs position.
All of the haters should be in FAVOR of this for the simple reason that Less persecuted foreign gays means Less foreign gays that wish to apply for asylum in the US b/c of persecution in their home country.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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"The Bush administration had a position of not wanting...to stop executions based upon sexual orientation"
And it was just as ridiculous when the OP said it.. But I bet you'll now claim you didnt say this either.
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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OP, you discredited what might have been a decent thread by claiming Obama was reversing Bush policy of executed people based upon sexual orientation.. Bush never did that, and you killed your own thread.

No he didn't. It was already dead on arrival...
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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No he didn't. It was already dead on arrival...
I disagree.. there was a valid discussion involving Obama wanting to put forward a policy internationally to not execute people based upon sexual orientation. This remains the practice in some nations so making a statement that its unacceptable might be a decent debate (i.e. should we be dictating policies to other nations for example, an issue the left criticized Bush of doing, but now supporting)
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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I disagree.. there was a valid discussion involving Obama wanting to put forward a policy internationally to not execute people based upon sexual orientation. This remains the practice in some nations so making a statement that its unacceptable might be a decent debate (i.e. should we be dictating policies to other nations for example, an issue the left criticized Bush of doing, but now supporting)
Putting our semantic debate aside, what is your opinion of the Four Freedoms Doctrine (espoused by the Allies) and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Are these gross abuses of power?

Is it a fundamental human right that homosexuals be allowed to live in peace?
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Old 03-23-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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Putting our semantic debate aside, what is your opinion of the Four Freedoms Doctrine (espoused by the Allies) and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Are these gross abuses of power?
I pretty much agree with both, are they gross absues of powers, hell no..
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Is it a fundamental human right that homosexuals be allowed to live in peace?
Yep.. But I also believe people like polygamists should also be afforded such protection to live in peace. I'm fairly libertarian in regards to human rights.. I have no problem with gays, I have some that are my best friends. I dont think they should be killed either, but then I also dont believe in killing pedophiles, or even those found guilty of murder.

The question is, are we justified to push our values upon the rest of the world? Liberals objected completely to Bush pushing our standards on the middle east, and now that its Obama, and its a policy you agree with, you have no problem pushing your values on the rest of the world..

Like I said.. the thread would have made for an interesting debate before you guys started lying making claims that Bush supported executing gays..
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