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Old 03-23-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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Since the "attack" committed by the United States was against a sovereign nation in an effort to aid and assist the overthrow of that nation's government by revolutionaries .... and that credible evidence exists that such undermining and overthrowing of that government was being assisted, and perhaps even instigated and created covertly by US and British intelligence operatives, there is no case for criteria 3 in the WPA. The action is clearly an overt act of aggression under international law, as there was no attack by Libya on the United States or it's territories, or allies, since the rebel forces are not a recognized entity, so they cannot be classified as a US ally.

The United Nations may legitimize it's resolution to authorize military action as not violating established non-aggression laws under the pretext of humanitarian reasons, but that doesn't apply to US law.

And congress IS NOT authorized to decide and selectively choose what laws they care to enforce. They are bound by the law just as much as the executive branch is .... legally speaking, of course. That doesn't mean that the vast percentage of them shouldn't already be behind bars as we speak, for overtly violating the many laws they have and continue to violate.
International law does not apply. the United Nations Security council resolved that issue.

Congress has in times past (quite often actually) chosen to not enforce certain laws.

In fact many times, instead of removing a law, they have defunded the implimentation of a law thus vacating it.

Congress can chose to ignor Obama's violation of the WPR. or is it WPA?
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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I fully understand that to be your position.

But it is not your position that matters. It is Congress's.


But alas... no.

For example. The special forces we sent into Columbia in 2002 were to protect a Colombian oil pipeline from Colombian rebels. We do not even buy oil from Colombia.

Our getting in a shooting war with Abu Sayaaf in the Philippines in 2002 was to support the Philippine government, not any US territory, assets or people.

We landed our troops in Liberia in 2003 during the civil war there to protect refugees that were not American citizens.

The last example is actually pretty analogous to this one. Our interests were humanitarian... but they were still our interests.
And those President's broke the law too if they did it in the same way. Just because past President's broke this same law does not in any way make it right to do it again.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Department of Defense...

We are defending European bankers and oil companies interests
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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International law does not apply. the United Nations Security council resolved that issue.

Congress has in times past (quite often actually) chosen to not enforce certain laws.

In fact many times, instead of removing a law, they have defunded the implimentation of a law thus vacating it.

Congress can chose to ignor Obama's violation of the WPR. or is it WPA?
They will ignore it for the most part just as they have many other times in the past.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Anyone regardless of their politics should be outraged at this
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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we talk about the constitutionality of the law, but in fact, it is possible for a President to be removed with no recourse to the Supreme Court based on this law...

I believe.
You are absolutely correct. The Constitutional power to remove a sitting President lays solely with the Congress.

The Supreme Court has no say in the matter.

As an aside, this is among the key reasons courts refuse to hear Birther cases. The Constitution does not give them the ability to remove a President for any reason whatsoever... including eligibility.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Congress can chose to ignor Obama's violation of the WPR. or is it WPA?
It's officially a Resolution, not an Act.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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You are absolutely correct. The Constitutional power to remove a sitting President lays solely with the Congress.

The Supreme Court has no say in the matter.

As an aside, this is among the key reasons courts refuse to hear Birther cases. The Constitution does not give them the ability to remove a President for any reason whatsoever... including eligibility.
I have enjoyed the conversation. and Ive learned a lot about the WPA that I didnt know. so it was time well spent.

thanks for the fun!
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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And those President's broke the law too if they did it in the same way.
That should be "that President," not "those Presidents."

And Congress did not agree with you then either.
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Old 03-23-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I have enjoyed the conversation. and Ive learned a lot about the WPA that I didnt know. so it was time well spent.

thanks for the fun!
Back at you.

Couldn't rep you more than once... but hey. I'm sure you could tell it was appreciated.
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