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Old 03-23-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Until the Liberal Party rids of Ignatieff, Harper very well may have his way...
I can't put my finger on why people dislike Ignatieff. We don't know much about him other than the negative Conservative ads.

Any candidate the LIberal Party puts forward will be put down by Tories' american style negative campaigns.

Though I don,t know Ignatieff all that much so if anyone has another explanation why he is so weak politically, I'd appreciate it.

Now, assuming they get rid of him...who will replace him? People mentionned Trudeau. That kid will always be in the shadow of his father and he is not very careful when he opens his mouth.

Is there anyone else in line?
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Old 03-23-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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^^ I rest my case.
lol, notice how he's the only one being uncivil and arguing about ideology instead of tangible issues?

That's how american politics are now and while it's entertaining to watch, politics are not supposed to be entertainment. It should be left to adults.

This political climate affects us indirectly. It's slowing creeping across the border and slipping into our Parliament. And our largest trading partner can't seem to go anywhere because it's skidding in the very mud it's people are throwing at each other.

I'm sure arguing about who's socialist and who's facist and worrying about gays marrying or birth certificates is gonna solve North American economic woes.
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Old 03-23-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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The Liberals would stand a chance if the Bloc disappeared. Quebec holds a lot of seats. As a Quebecer, I am getting pretty tired of this party. It feels like we're never involved in the federal discussions because they sweep away so many counties. So as a result, it feels like the only party we can identify with. For a lot of people it,s not even about seperatism anymore. It's more like "when in doubt, vote Bloc". Many people in Quebec joke that Bloc deputies only goal is to hold on to their seat long enough (six years minimum) to benefit from a generous pension. Yet we keep voting them in because mainstream parties abandonned Quebec (I don,t blame them) and are disorganized here and present terrible candidates.

I also think Liberals should've prepared the changing of the guard better. Stephane Dion should never have got leadership. He managed to do so with a deal with Gerard Kennedy that whoever of the two got in fourth place would pledge his supporters to the one coming in third place and rocket into 1st place. I could not believe it when he won.

Federal elections are on the horizon and I honestly don't know who to vote for. I think I'll just vote ideologically and go with the Green party since my county will surely go Bloc anyway.
from the people running I am voting harper and the troies back in he is the best of a bad lot and by the time a new PM gets up to speed on all these recent events it will cause our economy that is in slow recovery to slow down and with being engaged in two wars now and the crisis in japan saddle with our solving our own economic problems logical harper is the only logical choice at this time IMO.

After things cool down and improve a bit more and a strong leader comes along then I might change my view.

But right now we don't have time to have huge debates on policies when things are happening and changing so fast around the world. we need to stay stable in the world view esp. the G7 and G20 as we are viewed as the most stable country on financial issues due to our fiscal convserative spending that saved us the from brunt of the recession.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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from the people running I am voting harper and the troies back in he is the best of a bad lot and by the time a new PM gets up to speed on all these recent events it will cause our economy that is in slow recovery to slow down and with being engaged in two wars now and the crisis in japan saddle with our solving our own economic problems logical harper is the only logical choice at this time IMO..
I agree that a change of cabinet right now is not in our best interest. However, I don't think Harper guarantees stability. There are a lot of potential conflicts brewing in the Arab world and I'm afraid Harper will be more likely to join into a fight than other parties would be. He supported the Iraq invasion after all. I'm not even convinced we'll switch to a non-combat role in Afghanistan as expected in 2011. I'd rather have Canada stay out of conflicts and go back to the days of peacekeeping. But as you put it, it's hard to imagine a new PM taking up the lead at this point and Harper is definitly the best out of bad options.

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After things cool down and improve a bit more and a strong leader comes along then I might change my view.


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But right now we don't have time to have huge debates on policies when things are happening and changing so fast around the world. we need to stay stable in the world view esp. the G7 and G20 as we are viewed as the most stable country on financial issues due to our fiscal convserative spending that saved us the from brunt of the recession.
What saved us from the recession was our strictly regulated banking system. The very same system economists complained about during the "boom", when american banks were leveraged 30:1 at times and ours weren't even leveraged and were not growing nearly as fast. Turns out we were right not to join into that crazy ponzi scheme.

I don't know if you're implying Tories should be credited for being fiscally responsible, but Liberals have shown to be jsut as fiscally conservative, if not more. I don't think a change of leadership would mean more spending. New elections however:

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Old 03-23-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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I can't put my finger on why people dislike Ignatieff. We don't know much about him other than the negative Conservative ads.

Now, assuming they get rid of him...who will replace him? People mentionned Trudeau. That kid will always be in the shadow of his father and he is not very careful when he opens his mouth.

Is there anyone else in line?
I think that best way to describe the current sentiment (based on the overall mood on the CBC boards) is "anyone but Harper, but not Ignatieff". I don't know why people hate him so much either. I think it's a little too late to replace him, as it is speculated that elections are just around the corner. However, people will look at the surplus Harper inherited and the current deficit he created, so Ignatieff does stand a chance.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:25 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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The gov't just fell on a non-confidence motion. Election in early May. When it's all settled it's likely just another Harper minority gov't.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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Didn't the Liberals have successive balanced budgets, only to be replaced by deficit spending when Harper et al came in?

anytime there is a deficit there is no such thing as a balanced budget. give me the budget and I could have the deficit paid off in 3 years and have the USA's budget under 500 billion a year total.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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The gov't just fell on a non-confidence motion. Election in early May. When it's all settled it's likely just another Harper minority gov't.
But for Iggy the Liberals might have a chance at winning the election, you are probably correct.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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The gov't just fell on a non-confidence motion. Election in early May. When it's all settled it's likely just another Harper minority gov't.
agreed it will be a a few seats won a few seats lost thats it oh well still gonna vote the porvincial election in B.C. is going to suck atleast the federal govronment is not as corrupt as gordon campbell was he sold out half the province harper should of whacked him in the head with the canadian flag during the 2010 games
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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I think if America pulls its head out of its ass it could achieve a balanced budget...just not by 2015, more like 2050.
They have to do more than balance a budget, we have to pay the national debt.
Draconian cuts are going to have to come no matter what.
The longer we don't do it the worse it will be when we do.

I think it is more like lots of months at most rather than years before we are FORCED to change our ways.
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