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Old 05-29-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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What's the difference between a slave who works to feed, house, take care of the the plantation owner and the hard working American slaving at work to feed, house, take care of welfare recipients who are capable but refuse to work? Not much yet you condone the latter?
Here is the difference. You don't have to work. Slaves had no choice but to do those things. And as for welfare, one can only get welfare for up to 5 years. Some tweaking to welfare thanks to the Clinton administration.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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You should make a thread about southern whites that were too lazy to pick their own crops.

Our ancestors didn't betray us. That doesn't even make any sense. And Africans didn't sell "their own people" into slavery. They sold other tribes.

Exactly how the Indians feel about whites coming here.

Such a shame.


Yeah, but this thread isn't about the world...it's about so called "enlightened" American men that were the Founding Fathers of THIS country.

And of course we should look at the sins of this nation's past. Absolutely we should. Why should any history be glossed over just because it makes us uncomfortable?
The reason slaves were bought here was to pick cotton......of course, not all did just that.

Everyone seems to agree that NEVER should have happened....NEVER.....we all would be in a better place if the slaves were never here.

I am sure the Indians did mostly feel the same way......of couse they would.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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Here is the difference. You don't have to work. Slaves had no choice but to do those things. And as for welfare, one can only get welfare for up to 5 years. Some tweaking to welfare thanks to the Clinton administration.
That five year thing is not true in Michigan.

Maybe other states.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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Here is the difference. You don't have to work. Slaves had no choice but to do those things. And as for welfare, one can only get welfare for up to 5 years. Some tweaking to welfare thanks to the Clinton administration.
Of course you don't have to work if middle class Americans are forced to pay the way of people who choose not to work. Do you think middle class Americans busting their butts only for the government to confiscate money from their paychecks to pay for anyone who is capable but able. If you don't pay those taxes they will take your property or throw you in jail. That's NOT CHOICE. That's called slavery... and you condone it.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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I didn't say we shouldn't look at the sins of the past, because we do need to learn from them. However; the problem is people in today's world are still being blamed for them. For example, I nor any of my ancestors ever owned a slave, or forced the Native Americans from their land, so WTF can I do about it? That's right. NOTHING!!! And yes it may be about the founding fathers of this country, but I'm also pointing out that we're not the only nation free from slavery or dark moments in history, yet we're the most scrutinized when those things. I look at it like this... we're in the here and now. We're here, we're all American citzens, and if our elected politicians are following the US Constitution we ALL in 2014 have equal opportunity. That doesn't mean the outcome is going to be equal, because life is what you make of it, and it isn't always fair.
No truth in what you're saying. We're nowhere close to being the most scrutinized nation when it comes to our history.

That said, we have more to live up to because we set ourselves up with the greatest constitution in the history of mankind, then commenced to PURPOSELY NOT live up to it for the greater part of our history in regards to African Americans. I'm not about to just dismiss that fact. No way...it wouldn't do justice to my ancestors.

Moreover, there's no such thing as equal opportunity. It doesn't exist. It can't exist. It's not even possible.

The equal outcome argument is kinda stale too. I don't know a single soul that expects equal outcomes. That's also impossible.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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You must really hate black Africans too eh?
The ones who kidnapped and sold other Africans for profit? Yep.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:15 PM
 
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Of course you don't have to work if middle class Americans are forced to pay the way of people who choose not to work. That's called slavery... and you condone it.
Actually, you are twisting it. The difference between slavery and working to pay taxes is volunteering. Don't want to pay taxes, don't work. Anyone and everyone can decide to stop working and not pay taxes at all. That option is there. Slavery was involuntary and permanent.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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Here is the difference. You don't have to work. Slaves had no choice but to do those things. And as for welfare, one can only get welfare for up to 5 years. Some tweaking to welfare thanks to the Clinton administration.
Obamacare is another form of slavery. It is MANDATED. MANDATED means required, no choice.

It is MANDATED even for people like me who had insurance but now have to pay nearly double. My prices doubled and I have to pay for childcare even when I don't need it. That's not choice, that's todays form of slavery... and you think it's just fine.

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Old 05-29-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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The reason slaves were bought here was to pick cotton......of course, not all did just that.

Everyone seems to agree that NEVER should have happened....NEVER.....we all would be in a better place if the slaves were never here.

I am sure the Indians did mostly feel the same way......of couse they would.
Look, black folks have just as much right to be here as any white man. Whites aren't anymore indigenous to this continent as black people are.

It's all stolen land anyway. Blacks may have come here under specious and different circumstances than whites, but we're here now that's just how it's gotta be. And i'm not leaving anytime soon.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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The slaves weren't that smart at all. They didn't bring any ideas here, they were told what to do, not the other way around. You act like nobody on the planet grew anything but blacks. Stop with the myths already. If you are not grateful for the FF's founding such a free country that YOU live in, then go back to Africa and see how you make out there.
You don't know how smart slaves were, so it's interesting that your default answer is that they were dumb. What makes you draw that conclusion? Anyone who knows anything about the history of slaves in the US know that they were resourceful and resilient people. To suggest that they were ignorant because they were not knowledgeable about Western ways is ridiculous.

I can pretty much guarantee you that my roots in the US extend back further than yours. You're in this country thanks to the sacrifices of my ancestors. You're welcome.
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