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"The demonizing of government at all levels that has become such a reflexive impulse for conservatives in the early 21st century would have mystified most elected officials in Wisconsin just a few decades ago.
When Gov. Gaylord A. Nelson, a Democrat, sought to extend collective bargaining rights to municipal workers in 1959, he did so in partnership with a Legislature in which one house was controlled by the Republicans."
a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE union should NOT have the RIGHT to strike or hold the taxpayer hostage
we INVEST money in training teachers/cops/park workers/ DOL/ DOH/ DOE(nergy)/ DOE(ducation) etc.. they are there for a REASON, to help the PUBLIC, their pay/bennie should be decided by the PUBLIC (taxpayers) or by the local/state congress(or assenbly or WHATEVER the legislatory level is called in that peticular state)... not by some crooked union bosses DEMANDING tey get 15% raises, when the inflation rate is 2% (or less) and EVERYONE else (especcially the TAXPAYER that is paying their salaries) is getting reductions in pay
there is a BIG difference between a union at GE, and a union at 'East Meadow school district'
again this is WHY..private unions sure...public unions NO
PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions
the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want to be a member or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job, you will be union or you can go find something else
that is union crime
there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions
becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period
National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.
even FDR said so
"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ...
"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937
and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a political bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......
this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting
“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE union should NOT have the RIGHT to strike or hold the taxpayer hostage
we INVEST money in training teachers/cops/park workers/ DOL/ DOH/ DOE(nergy)/ DOE(ducation) etc.. they are there for a REASON, to help the PUBLIC, their pay/bennie should be decided by the PUBLIC (taxpayers) or by the local/state congress(or assenbly or WHATEVER the legislatory level is called in that peticular state)... not by some crooked union bosses DEMANDING tey get 15% raises, when the inflation rate is 2% (or less) and EVERYONE else (especcially the TAXPAYER that is paying their salaries) is getting reductions in pay
there is a BIG difference between a union at GE, and a union at 'East Meadow school district'
again this is WHY..private unions sure...public unions NO
PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions
the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want to be a member or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job, you will be union or you can go find something else
that is union crime
there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions
becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period
National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.
even FDR said so
"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ...
"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937
and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a political bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......
this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting
“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
Very Well Said!
Although I have to say that I am against ANY union - public or private.
Unions are leeches on society and it is so great to see taxpayers starting to realize this and abolish them and their 'rights.'
The left is fighting hard for unions because it is a huge contributor to their campaigns. Hypocrisy at its finest.
a PUBLIC EMPLOYEE union should NOT have the RIGHT to strike or hold the taxpayer hostage
we INVEST money in training teachers/cops/park workers/ DOL/ DOH/ DOE(nergy)/ DOE(ducation) etc.. they are there for a REASON, to help the PUBLIC, their pay/bennie should be decided by the PUBLIC (taxpayers) or by the local/state congress(or assenbly or WHATEVER the legislatory level is called in that peticular state)... not by some crooked union bosses DEMANDING tey get 15% raises, when the inflation rate is 2% (or less) and EVERYONE else (especcially the TAXPAYER that is paying their salaries) is getting reductions in pay
there is a BIG difference between a union at GE, and a union at 'East Meadow school district'
again this is WHY..private unions sure...public unions NO
PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions
the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want to be a member or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job, you will be union or you can go find something else
that is union crime
there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions
becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period
National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.
even FDR said so
"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ...
"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937
and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a political bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......
this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting
“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
Did you even read my post, or did you just see "Workers Rights" and you exploded?
"The demonizing of government at all levels that has become such a reflexive impulse for conservatives in the early 21st century would have mystified most elected officials in Wisconsin just a few decades ago.
When Gov. Gaylord A. Nelson, a Democrat, sought to extend collective bargaining rights to municipal workers in 1959, he did so in partnership with a Legislature in which one house was controlled by the Republicans."
In 1959 discrimination was out of control, the thought of a black or women Pres would have been considered a joke. Polio was not totally controlled and people were truely old at 65. Most companies forced workers to retire at 65. Did that make these things right? Few families had 2 cars, no one knew the word computer or cell phone, in fact no one could even imagine someone walking around with a portable phone. Shall we go back to those days, is that what you are saying. 50 years, a new century, and we are living today, not the the 1900s.
"The demonizing of government at all levels that has become such a reflexive impulse for conservatives in the early 21st century would have mystified most elected officials in Wisconsin just a few decades ago.
When Gov. Gaylord A. Nelson, a Democrat, sought to extend collective bargaining rights to municipal workers in 1959, he did so in partnership with a Legislature in which one house was controlled by the Republicans."
You might alos note that FDR made a speech in which is was against public workers having unions and bargaining rights. I relly don't thnik unions persay is bad its what they became which is instruents of less prodcution at higher cost to maintain moe than other similar workers and thinking that you can milk the cow they milked was healthy thus milking it to death by their greed.
"The demonizing of government at all levels that has become such a reflexive impulse for conservatives in the early 21st century would have mystified most elected officials in Wisconsin just a few decades ago.
When Gov. Gaylord A. Nelson, a Democrat, sought to extend collective bargaining rights to municipal workers in 1959, he did so in partnership with a Legislature in which one house was controlled by the Republicans."
All this proves is that Republicans and be as dim-witted as Democrats. Look and Mitt Romney and Romneycare.
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