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Old 03-25-2011, 06:30 AM
 
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How you do in school is on your shoulders, not the teacher's.

If you slack off, sleep in class, or skip class, of course you're going to get crappy grades & barely or not even graduate from HS, thus only making you qualified for a minimum wage job. Every teacher I ever had did their job competently, but it was up to me to pass the class.

If we slash teacher salaries, then only incompetent slackers will want to take the $18,000/yr. salary to do the job. More intelligent and competent people will avoid the occupation like the plague, or will just look for some private sector job.

It's the ruling elite that's behind all of this because having a dumbed down, uneducated population means they can get away with anything.


As they say, those that can't do...teach.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Because anybody can teach a 4th grader. There are few candidates that have the knowledge and skills it takes to run a large corporation.
This is a direct function of the way the school system is set up in the US we could turn out a large number of people that are skilled at running large corporations.

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Want better compensation? Earn it by gaining the skills with which you can acquire it.
There is a flip side to this argument. And that is that it is everyone's best interest to to have a more even distribution of wealth. This makes for a more stable political situation and that is in everyone's best interest.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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The only way to make yourself money is to stop making it for others!!!
This isn't true at all, plenty of people make a lot of money working for others.
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Old 03-25-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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This isn't true at all, plenty of people make a lot of money working for others.
Plenty of people make a living working for other people. If you want to make real money you've gota work for yourself.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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This isn't true at all, plenty of people make a lot of money working for others.
Everybody "works for others" in some way. I work for my customers - they pay me to do what I do, but I own the business.

Find me ONE example of a person that got rich by earning a fixed salary. Just one. Jobs, Gates, Dell, Ellison, Buffet, Trump... None of them got rich by doing the minimum required to hold down a 9-5 job.

If you want wealth, it's out there for you, but you have to go get it - you can't expect someone to just hand it to you. All you have to do is have a clear vision of how you're going to get it, and the dedication to work towards that goal. The rest will take care of itself. A lot of people talk about wanting to be "rich," but very few have the stones to do what it takes to make it happen.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:08 AM
 
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The other thing to notice about this economy - the poor are rapidly reproducing at sky high rates. The wealthier have fewer children, tend to have only the number of children they can afford and they wait until they can afford them before they have them. The poor lack that responsibility. More children are being born into welfare programs than ever before.
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Old 03-25-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Here is how a family of four making $50k pays no taxes;

"Here's how they did it, according to Deloitte Tax:


The family was entitled to a standard deduction of $11,400 and four personal exemptions of $3,650 apiece, leaving a taxable income of $24,000. The federal income tax on $24,000 is $2,769.


With two children younger than 17, the family qualified for two $1,000 child tax credits. Its Making Work Pay credit was $800 because the parents were married filing jointly.

The $2,800 in credits exceeds the $2,769 in taxes, so the family makes a $31 profit from the federal income tax."
To be fair they did pay $3,825 in payroll tax, not counting the employers $3,825.
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Old 03-25-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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So let's hear it - if the government doesn't bend to your will and make the legislative changes you seek, which is unlikely when you consider the source of the money in Washington, what will you do? If that's your "one way," what's "the other?"
And there we have it. Government will not change. Politicians and public employees LOVE this sick new world where they have total power, all the money, and are accountable to NOBODY--least of all the citizens they are supposed to serve.

So our economy continues to die, the Middle Class continues to disappear, the working class gets smaller and poorer (while paying for the increasing number of needy plus all those who can't find jobs), young adults graduating college wait for jobs that never open up, government spends and borrows more than the GDP with no economy to tax to reverse the trend, the buying power of the dollar rushes toward zero as the Fed monetizes the debt, pensions disappear while retirement savings decrease and lose to inflation thanks to the government-demanded "0" interest rates, food and oil begins to skyrocket in price, other nations decide what the new world reserve currency will be, and Presidential addiction to pointless foreign wars means what money taxes do bring in will be wasted on things OTHER than taking care of Americans.

Indeed, what SHOULD Americans do now? Let it burn?
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Here is how a family of four making $50k pays no taxes;

"Here's how they did it, according to Deloitte Tax:


The family was entitled to a standard deduction of $11,400 and four personal exemptions of $3,650 apiece, leaving a taxable income of $24,000. The federal income tax on $24,000 is $2,769.


With two children younger than 17, the family qualified for two $1,000 child tax credits. Its Making Work Pay credit was $800 because the parents were married filing jointly.

The $2,800 in credits exceeds the $2,769 in taxes, so the family makes a $31 profit from the federal income tax."
Do you not take advantage of every tax deduction and credit you can?
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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You could redistribute the money in America so that every person has an equal amount of money and in 5 years those that were rich will be rich again, those that were poor will be poor again.
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