NATO taking over Libya conflict (enemy, legal, soldiers, weapons)

[SourD]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

Did you catch Beck this afternoon? I think he explained much of what is happening here and why it is happening. Only for open minded people, though.

Yes I did, and I completely agree with him.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Since when did Lybia join NATO? What do they have to do with the North Atlantic Treaty? Why does NATO (ultimately meaning the US) have to get involved in the first place? NATO was an agreement for associated countries to counter and contain Soviet aggression during the cold war. It wasn't a plan (at that time anyway) for global domination.

This is an internal civil war in another 3rd world hellhole. NATO, and the US, should not be involved.

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

The biggest problem here is that this has been a civil war from the begnning and people like you were always againss Afghanistan till Obama claimed as his own. Hell, libs even talked all along about Iraq being a civil war when it started out as US v. Iraq.

How many Arab nations are still involved in what libs refer to as the coalition.

Oh come on now, tell the truth. You don't like to see the current President handle the situation properly. That reflects poorly on a certain previous President.

[texdav]

From what i saw reported NATO is nly takig over part of te mission. They alos say that any coutnry withi NATO is allowed to not take part if they so chose.It alos was reported that so far the US has flown 70% of the missions.Seems like people are waffling o what they said they would do;IMO.

[GTOlover]

Originally Posted by texdav

From what i saw reported NATO is nly takig over part of te mission. They alos say that any coutnry withi NATO is allowed to not take part if they so chose.It alos was reported that so far the US has flown 70% of the missions.Seems like people are waffling o what they said they would do;IMO.

yeah I just get mad that people forget Canada is doing the best it can since we have such a small population but they are well trained and a well armed army since we train and practice and do joint operation with US forces we work well together.

also we sent 7 F18's there that are doing air strikes and 2 auroua anti-aubmarine planes to enforce the blockade and 2 frigates also.

we are a small country in terms of population but just like the US and british forces we are still engaged in combat in afghanistan. we are giving everything we have have nd are streached thin because we have to protect and patrol north american air space with joint US/Canadian forces for NORAD, we are enganged in afghaistan and are flying joint missions with US forces in libya.

we only have 80 F-18's to do all three things and pretty much and right now we are running at full capacity and we are gearing up to send JTF2 speacial forces in with US marines if we have to go into libya and out boot on the ground.

I mean what more can be asked from the US,Canadian, British and french forces who have been the one that are the main NATO force that has sent any thing of real value to help out.

The arab league makes me mad that we have to yet again rick our men and women for a problem that they have the capability to solve them selfs i mean why keep seeling them F-16's, Apacche long bows and M1 Abrams if they won't even use them when they have a good reason too.

if any US,Canadian, British and french forces get KIA over there i will be pissed at the other NATO nations for their all talk no action BS that most of them always pull on us.

[scuba steve]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

NATO, this weekend? Will this work out?

Libya live blog: Deal reached for NATO to take over Libya mission, officials say – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Serious question - when is the last time that NATO was able to straighten out any kind of conflict like this? I thought it was the UN that went into Bosnia a while back... has NATO even done anything like this before?

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Originally Posted by GTOlover

yeah I just get mad that people forget Canada is doing the best it can since we have such a small population but they are well trained and a well armed army since we train and practice and do joint operation with US forces we work well together.

also we sent 7 F18's there that are doing air strikes and 2 auroua anti-aubmarine planes to enforce the blockade and 2 frigates also.

we are a small country in terms of population but just like the US and british forces we are still engaged in combat in afghanistan. we are giving everything we have have nd are streached thin because we have to protect and patrol north american air space with joint US/Canadian forces for NORAD, we are enganged in afghaistan and are flying joint missions with US forces in libya.

we only have 80 F-18's to do all three things and pretty much and right now we are running at full capacity and we are gearing up to send JTF2 speacial forces in with US marines if we have to go into libya and out boot on the ground.

I mean what more can be asked from the US,Canadian, British and french forces who have been the one that are the main NATO force that has sent any thing of real value to help out.

The arab league makes me mad that we have to yet again rick our men and women for a problem that they have the capability to solve them selfs i mean why keep seeling them F-16's, Apacche long bows and M1 Abrams if they won't even use them when they have a good reason too.

if any US,Canadian, British and french forces get KIA over there i will be pissed at the other NATO nations for their all talk no action BS that most of them always pull on us.

I agree with everything you have said. I'd elaborate that those same forces will be the primary ones contribuiting when and if the UN takes any action as well.

Why are a few Western countries putting the lives of their military men and women and the treasure of their taxpayers in harms way for a(nother) third world civil war? We (all those forces) have nothing to gain and alot to loose. Even if the rebels to end up winning in Lybia, we'll be blamed as imperialists and responsible for all their problems a couple years down the road.

[florida.bob]

Congress has cooties, so the Pres will talk to them via phone.

BREAKING: Obama to hold conference call on Libya with Congress – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

[GTOlover]

Canadian general to take command of NATO mission in Libya

A Canadian general will take over command of the NATO mission in Libya – a nod to Canada’s role in global affairs, Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Friday.

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“It was a request in consultation with the coalition of countries participating in the no-fly zone,” Mr. MacKay said, adding that Canada is playing a key role in the area. “The determination was made that that particular maritime patrol vessel would very much add to the capability to keep munitions from entering Libya via the water.”
from: Canadian general to take command of NATO mission in Libya - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-general-to-take-command-of-nato-mission-in-libya/article1956477/ - broken link)

[GTOlover]

this sucks we should of let france run this since it is a EU war effort and they were the ones that wanted to lead this war anyways now it could very well turn into a long NATO war with only 5-6 main memebers out of the 27 doing the actual fighting and germany not even going to help pisses me off. So yet again American, Canadian and British forces take the brunt of the fighting just like we did in WW2 on D-Day where we liberated france and stopped nazi germany and after the war NATO was created.
thuis reminds me of the WW2 south african allied offensive

During World War II there was strong support for Italy from many moslem Libyans, who enrolled in the Italian Army. Other Libyan troops (the Savari [cavalry regiments] and the Spahi or mounted police) had been fighting for the Kingdom of Italy since the 1920s.
A number of major battles took place in Libya during the North African Campaign of World War II. In September 1940, the Italian invasion of Egypt was launched from Libya

Starting in December of the same year, the British launched a counterattack called Operation Compass and the Italian forces were pushed back into Libya. After losing all of Cyrenaica and almost all of its Tenth Army, Italy asked for German assistance to aid the failing campaign.
With German support, the lost Libyan territory was regained and by the conclusion of Operation Brevity, German and Italian forces were entering Egypt. The Siege of Tobruk in April 1941, where German General Erwin Rommel's forces were defeated, marked the first failure of Blitzkrieg tactics. Defeat during the Second Battle of El Alamein in Egypt spelled doom for the Axis forces in Libya and meant the end of the Western Desert Campaign.