NATO taking over Libya conflict (soldier, revolution, cost, dictator)

[GTOlover]

we need to bring back patton
In November 1942, Major General Patton commanded the Western Task Force of the U.S. Army, which landed on the coast of Vichy French-held Morocco in Operation Torch for the North African Campaign. Patton and his staff arrived in Morocco aboard the heavy cruiser USS Augusta, which came under fire from the Vichy French battleship Jean Bart while entering the harbor of Casablanca. Casablanca fell after four days of fighting. So impressed was the Sultan of Morocco that he presented Patton with the special Order of Ouissam Alaouite, with the citation: "Les Lions dans leurs tanières tremblent en le voyant approcher" (The lions in their dens tremble at his approach).[15]
In 1943, following the defeat of the U.S. II Corps (then part of British 1st Army) by the German Afrika Korps, first at the Battle of Sidi Bou Zid and again at the Battle of the Kasserine Pass, General Dwight D. Eisenhower sent Major General Ernest Harmon to assess the II Corps.

On March 6, 1943, as a result of Harmon's report, Patton replaced Major General Lloyd Fredendall as commander of the II Corps. Patton was also promoted to lieutenant general. Soon thereafter, Patton had Omar Bradley reassigned to his corps as deputy commander. Thus began a long wartime association between the two different personalities.

It is said that his troops preferred to serve with him rather than his predecessor since they thought their chances of survival were higher under Patton. For instance, Patton required all personnel to wear steel helmets (even physicians in the operating wards) and required his troops to wear the unpopular lace-up canvas leggings and neckties since the leggings prevented injury from scorpions, spiders and rats which would climb up under soldiers' trousers. A system of fines was introduced to ensure all personnel shaved daily and observed other uniform requirements. While these measures may not have made Patton popular, they did tend to restore a sense of discipline and unit pride that may have been missing when Fredendall was still in command. In a play on his nickname, "Old Blood and Guts," troops joked that it was "our blood and his guts."[16] This nickname however derives not from his casualty figures which were consistently lower than Bradley's[citation needed], but from his days as Master of Sword when his colourful language about 'blood and guts' made an impression on junior officers.
The discipline Patton instilled paid off quickly. Patton found victory at the Battle of El Guettar. By mid-March 1943, the counter-offensive of the U.S. II Corps, along with the rest of the British 1st Army, pushed the Germans and Italians eastwards. Meanwhile the British Eighth Army, commanded by General Sir Bernard Law Montgomery, simultaneously pushed them westwards, effectively squeezing the Germans and Italians into a smaller and smaller portion of Tunisia and out of North Africa altogether by mid-May.

[01Snake]

Libya: US May Arm Anti-Gaddafi Rebels And Looking At Legality After UN Resolutions, Sky News Learns | World News | Sky News

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

Brilliant!

[florida.bob]

The success of Obama's policies in Egypt and now Libya, are really making the RW mad. They are fighting back by trying to cut more jobs. I guess they think when people are out of work, they won't vote. Hmmm.

[oz in SC]

Obama had no policy in Egypt....

As to Libya,well going to war with another nation that is no threat to the USA isn't much of a policy....

I guess nation building is okay now with the leftists?

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Obama had no policy in Egypt....

As to Libya,well going to war with another nation that is no threat to the USA isn't much of a policy....

I guess nation building is okay now with the leftists?

Perhaps more to the point, to the RW, a policy requires armed conflict who cares how many lives. To the Center, a policy requires whatever will work the best and cost the fewest lives. To the LW, a policy requires no conflict at all and whether it works or not, is irrelevant.

[GTOlover]

Originally Posted by 01Snake

Libya: US May Arm Anti-Gaddafi Rebels And Looking At Legality After UN Resolutions, Sky News Learns | World News | Sky News

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

Brilliant!

great would that not be against our own international policy and laws on supplying known terroist groups with weapons. esp ones with al-Queda links you know since they freaking attacked us on 9/11 and now we are supposed arm them what the the heck is the plan in libya here.

Russia is watching are actions and what we do and they must be saying what on earth are they doing they must be doing this too

I mean the whole area is unstable the ME and north africa are done as far in what we can do they are beyond our control. they are going to go at it with each other in some messed up islamic revoloution and we should stay as far away from that as possible. those areas are gone even russia and china won't go in there and if they do collateral damage and rules of engagement won't be a factor for them.

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

Wow, NATO telling American forces what to do. Bet this will be good.

The best military in the world taking orders from countries who are lucky to even have an airplane.


For a Obamabots.

Since Obama is playing mind games with this and gave the order for the missiles strikes we have two problems in Obamas court now.

1. If we do not remove the Gaddafi from power now that it was America missiles used, will we now have created an enemy and stirred up something in the region?

2. If we do remove him and the country falls in the hands of the wrong people we will then have to go back and fix the mess that Obama created by getting us involved and having no end game planned BEFORE he decided to get involved.

Both will be Obamas problems.

America now loses either way because his lack of leadership skills and poor week long decisions.


I still smell a rat here.

Obama is scamming NATO and the allies and if this turns out to be a good thing to do and the allies are successful I can see Obama and his robots giving him all of the credit.

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

The success of Obama's policies in Egypt and now Libya, are really making the RW mad. They are fighting back by trying to cut more jobs. I guess they think when people are out of work, they won't vote. Hmmm.

I did not see your post before I posted mine and you already are giving credit to Obama for Libya?

Damn I am so good I know liberals so well.

What did Obomba do in Egypt?

What has he done other then order the missile attacks in Libya?

Giving him credit already.

Be prepared if things go wrong to take the credit and or the heat for his screwing it up as well.

I knew I smelled a rat here and obomba has already scammed his base into thinking he has no part of this conflict but yet they are willing to give him credit for something he has not even done.

Talk about cuttin and runnin and wanting the credit.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

The success of Obama's policies in Egypt and now Libya, are really making the RW mad. They are fighting back by trying to cut more jobs. I guess they think when people are out of work, they won't vote. Hmmm.

obamy had a policy in egypt???

obamy's policy is libyia is what....allowing AL QUAEDA rebels to to take over against gaddaffi??


obamy is a failure

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

I figured I would get a none answer to my questions.

So Obama gets the credit for Egypt?

How great now that we now the Muslim brotherhood is taken over.

Maybe that was his plan all along and maybe for Libya as well.

Still waiting for the answer to the questions.