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Originally Posted by Jill61
I'm so sick of this "at the taxpayer's expense" Moderator cut: language. Government workers are taxpayers, too. And if city services are farmed out to private corporations, the taxpayers are still going to have to pay the price for those services -- for life.
Not to mention the fact that you completely ignore the fact that the state had a fiduciary responsibility that they are failing to meet. How that becomes the worker's fault is beyond my comprehension.
Not to mention that you seem to be operating under the false impression that the average public employee, or their unions, had any choice about "getting out". Just because you put the word 'fact' in ALL CAPS, doesn't make it one. It's mind-boggling. After all these months of discussion and debate on this issue, you're still holding onto the notion that public employees didn't pay into their pension plans. They did. They not only paid in a percentage of their salary in many cases, but they also deferred current salary increases to future payments in the form of pensions. That's exactly the same thing as contributing their own money into the pension. "I'll forgo a 5% COL raise now, for a 2% raise in my current salary, in exchange for 3% going into my pension fund." That's a contribution.
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What I saw was public workers expecting a COLA
when inflation was at zero
What I see, is states like WI where union state employees didn't contribute to their pensions nor nothing to health care.
They expect their state to carry them the rest of
their life and their state does not have the money
Now, I don't live in WI and I don't
live in NJ, or CA either. But I'm not going to
bail those states out with my federal dollars.
I won't, and you can't make me
What I see is unions in state government - that
don't belong in the fiduciary board room. Guess
who does - the taxpayer. We usually do that
through voting, but I guess we can take off of
work to present ourselves in person to get
our point across
But... we might get fired,
or loose pay if we are self employed
And as far as what teachers contribute or not -
there our 14 states that have Teacher Retirement
Funds, and they don't pay Social Security, except
IF they work those three months off the year,
somewhere else. To me - that's a double deep.
The average teacher retirement at 29 years in
Illinois is 3500 plus a month at age 59. The non
state worker has to wait until age 66 to
get a Social Security Check. The average S.S.check is around $1000 - $1600.
So this "poor teacher scenario can not be further from the truth".
I think you have a lot of dead weight, as a
result of unions. And to be honest, I don't
even think a person should be teaching primary
grades at 29 years - I think you've burned yourself out.
And you know Jill
, I am a proponent of universal
health care. How can we get there - if all public
workers share none of the cost of that expense.
And no, I don't think this situation is the state
worker's fault. I just think they are thoughtless
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