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Old 03-28-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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When is "not voting" the same as "voting no"? When you are the House GOP, and your'e working furiously, in concert with GOP-run State Houses, to bust unions, and destroy the last good middle-class jobs left in America. Such proposals will eventually ensure a steady supply of Eloi for their Corporate Morlocks to dominate.

The new proposed law would count abstainers as "no" votes when workers hold elections on whether or not to join a union. The Tea Party (excuse me, I mean the GOP) is pushing this anti-democratic bill, apparently unaware of the irony that, if those standards had been applied to their own run for office, not one of them would have been elected in 2010.

Labor Ups Pressure On Lawmakers To Nix Union-Busting House Bill | TPMDC
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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When is "not voting" the same as "voting no"? When you are the House GOP, and your'e working furiously, in concert with GOP-run State Houses, to bust unions, and destroy the last good middle-class jobs left in America. Such proposals will eventually ensure a steady supply of Eloi for their Corporate Morlocks to dominate.

The new proposed law would count abstainers as "no" votes when workers hold elections on whether or not to join a union. The Tea Party (excuse me, I mean the GOP) is pushing this anti-democratic bill, apparently unaware of the irony that, if those standards had been applied to their own run for office, not one of them would have been elected in 2010.

Labor Ups Pressure On Lawmakers To Nix Union-Busting House Bill | TPMDC
When your mind is already made up the is is no sense responding to you.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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Kind of like Pelosi just deciding they could count the bill as passed w/out voting on it?
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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GOP getting behind a good losing position, helps us all.
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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actually unions are the epitome of fascism

fascism is also called corporatism

Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that views a community as a body based upon organic social solidarity and functional distinction and roles among individuals. The term corporatism is based on the Latin word "corpus" meaning "body". Formal corporatist models are based upon the contract of corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labor, military, patronage, scientific, or religious affiliations, into a collective body

a corporation is a union...unions are a corporation...all is fascism

unions...usually backed by the globalist progressive fascist liberals have helped in some areas (child labor laws, etc) but their sole intent is to 'socialize' the united states, to either "nationalize" the entire country and its corporations (main stream socialist way), or to so over regulate the corporations (the fascist way)

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners by way of UNIONS. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically through unions. State ministries or unions, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.



""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini


Mussolini was the son of a blacksmith and village school teacher who had been a Socialist party leader and radical newspaper editor before the war.

As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.

He also created fascist labor unions, and therefore He controlled labor

marxism, socialism, communism, fascism, progressivism, liberalism...all part of the same family




"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
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Old 03-28-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions

the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want ot be or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job you will be union

that is union crime

there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions

becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period

National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.

even FDR said so

"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives. Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937

and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a political bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......


even look at your local school budget vote...it has NOTHING to due with the PAY/benefits of the teachers..you vote on 1/10th of the entire budget.....







this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting

“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
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Old 03-28-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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When is "not voting" the same as "voting no"? When you are the House GOP, and your'e working furiously, in concert with GOP-run State Houses, to bust unions, and destroy the last good middle-class jobs left in America. Such proposals will eventually ensure a steady supply of Eloi for their Corporate Morlocks to dominate.

The new proposed law would count abstainers as "no" votes when workers hold elections on whether or not to join a union. The Tea Party (excuse me, I mean the GOP) is pushing this anti-democratic bill, apparently unaware of the irony that, if those standards had been applied to their own run for office, not one of them would have been elected in 2010.

Labor Ups Pressure On Lawmakers To Nix Union-Busting House Bill | TPMDC
When union stop forcing people to belong to them and when government unions no longer have bargaining power, maybe unions will gain some respect again. Of course there has to be a policy limiting how much unions can give to candidates as well. There was a time for unions, but that time appears to be long gone. As for middle class America, just ask a few true middle class Americans that work hourly shifts what they think about unions. Most do not want them anywhere near their company.

Nita
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Old 03-28-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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When is "not voting" the same as "voting no"? When you are the House GOP, and your'e working furiously, in concert with GOP-run State Houses, to bust unions, and destroy the last good middle-class jobs left in America. Such proposals will eventually ensure a steady supply of Eloi for their Corporate Morlocks to dominate.

The new proposed law would count abstainers as "no" votes when workers hold elections on whether or not to join a union. The Tea Party (excuse me, I mean the GOP) is pushing this anti-democratic bill, apparently unaware of the irony that, if those standards had been applied to their own run for office, not one of them would have been elected in 2010.

Labor Ups Pressure On Lawmakers To Nix Union-Busting House Bill | TPMDC
I love the last highlighted section, what a bunch of idiots
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Old 03-28-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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This is AWESOME NEWS!

Thank God for republicans who are working hard to save Americans from leg breaking and arm twisting UNION THUGS!
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Old 03-28-2011, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I love the last highlighted section, what a bunch of idiots
who is calling who an idiot?

Nita
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