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That is hard to argue against. However, are civil wars always evil, and especially those starting it are? Or, could they be against oppression?
Of course it could be against oppression, or it could
be a power grab. Libya had a monarchy before Quadaffi.
In fact the unarmed protesters were waving flags from that era.
There are dictatorships all over the world. And while, we
as a democracy want it for everyone - well, that's just
not reality.
"Gaddafi though had followed the footsteps of Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser and pursued an anti-imperialist line in his early days, by breaking ties with US and introducing program of nationalisations. Yet for the last decade, Gaddafi regime has increasingly taken the neoliberal line in its policies. Gaddafi has opened up Libya’s economy for foreign investment and forged close relationships with the Berlusconi regime of Italy, the former colonial master of Libya. One of the champions of military intervention in Libya recently, Britain, was a major arms supplier for Gaddafi regime. The economic liberalisation policies pursued by Gaddafi regime in the last decade has increasingly destroyed the Libyan state economy, removed subsidies from basic foodstuffs and introduced more privatisation, [all of ] which have contributed to the decline of living standards of ordinary Libyan people and fueled social discontent that led to the current uprising.
The Libyan people have shown their courage, determination and persistence in fighting the repressive Gaddafi regime. The heroic fight of the Libyan people has roost in the tradition of Libyan resistance against Italian rule. The recent struggle of the Libyan people is a just cause, but the military intervention by imperialist powers is unjustified and poses a danger to the Libyan revolution. Any military assault by imperialist forces, whether from air, land or sea, is definitely an attempt to gain control over oil interests in the region and to contain revolutionary process in the Arab world, while the military-industrial complex is reaping huge profits for every bombs dropped on the Libyan soil."
What we think Libyans' are fighting for, and what "they
may be fighting for" - could very well be two totally
different things.
The way you hear Hillary talk, it's a slam dunk of what
type of government they want, should have, etc.
I think she has a very arrogant view of their wants
and needs. And while Obama is President, I simply
don't think he has a clue as to the things
the GOP/Democratic administrations have done in the distant past - to get to where these countries are today.
Of course it could be against oppression, or it could
be a power grab. Libya had a monarchy before Quadaffi.
In fact the unarmed protesters were waving flags from that era.
There are dictatorships all over the world. And while, we
as a democracy want it for everyone - well, that's just
not reality.
"Gaddafi though had followed the footsteps of Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser and pursued an anti-imperialist line in his early days, by breaking ties with US and introducing program of nationalisations. Yet for the last decade, Gaddafi regime has increasingly taken the neoliberal line in its policies. Gaddafi has opened up Libya’s economy for foreign investment and forged close relationships with the Berlusconi regime of Italy, the former colonial master of Libya. One of the champions of military intervention in Libya recently, Britain, was a major arms supplier for Gaddafi regime. The economic liberalisation policies pursued by Gaddafi regime in the last decade has increasingly destroyed the Libyan state economy, removed subsidies from basic foodstuffs and introduced more privatisation, [all of ] which have contributed to the decline of living standards of ordinary Libyan people and fueled social discontent that led to the current uprising.
The Libyan people have shown their courage, determination and persistence in fighting the repressive Gaddafi regime. The heroic fight of the Libyan people has roost in the tradition of Libyan resistance against Italian rule. The recent struggle of the Libyan people is a just cause, but the military intervention by imperialist powers is unjustified and poses a danger to the Libyan revolution. Any military assault by imperialist forces, whether from air, land or sea, is definitely an attempt to gain control over oil interests in the region and to contain revolutionary process in the Arab world, while the military-industrial complex is reaping huge profits for every bombs dropped on the Libyan soil."
What we think Libyans' are fighting for, and what "they
may be fighting for" - could very well be two totally
different things.
The way you hear Hillary talk, it's a slam dunk of what
type of government they want, should have, etc.
I think she has a very arrogant view of their wants
and needs. And while Obama is President, I simply
don't think he has a clue as to the things
the GOP/Democratic administrations have done in the distant past - to get to where these countries are today.
I'll just call it manipulation at it's worst.
Yea its manipulation....We are bombing heavily populated Libyan cities to save Civilian lives, supposedly. Even though that makes no sense what so ever, it gives the West a Green light to do what they want in Libya for the most part. The only restriction we have in place is no Troops on the ground...Yet Im sure that none of the Western leaders saw that as a possible issue [hah] in regards to getting rid of Gaddafi. Just look at Kosovo. It was over and done with in 1 week of Bombing runs.
But its turning out that Bombs are not enough. The Rebels are a joke as far as fighting ability goes. They cant take over bombed out cities, and they seem to run at the first sight of a Libyan soldier if you believe the news reports. Gaddafi is also not budging, and it really does look like most of Western Libya supports him.
Those are huge problems for Obama and the Western Allies involved in Libya.
If they allow Ground troops, then Obama has lied.
It would also prove that Obama never intended to protect Civilians, but that that was only a lie to justify a means. IE- Remove Gaddafi.
If Obama gives Weapons to the Rebels then we are picking sides. Which again runs contrary to our stated mission - protect Civilians. That proves another lie.
Somalilandpress, isn't that kind of like believing FOX?
I like fox. I can get the news stories on fox I'm not going to see on any mainstream source. What's the matter? Don't you approve of the idea of having a news source that isn't biased to the left? Just why would that be a problem? Monopolies are bad ya' know. Competition, on the other hand, really is good.
Having said that, I support engagement under UN but limited to No Fly Zone, to ensure the Libyan military and Gaddaffi's mercenaries aren't engaging in genocide and violent suppression. I do not support a direct arming of rebels, or even fighting for them.
Looks like it isn't just black people the rebels are killing...
Quote:
Some local resentment has also been fuelled by the rebels' hunt for "fifth columnists" supposedly colluding with the Gaddafi forces. In Bin Jawad, The Independent witnessed around 220 men, either members of the Hosseini clan or people associated with them, being dragged out of their homes, beaten up and taken away. The "arrests" took place as the rebels traded fire at the gates of the town with regime troops. Residents, already frightened, saw doors being kicked down by Shabaab fighters who also fired at windows where they claimed to have seen snipers.
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