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we want people to take responsibility for their choices and actions. Even as a teenager I knew I couldn't afford a baby so I always used a condom. They're cheap and easy to use. Combine condom use with female birth control makes it nearly 100% effective. Easy abortion enables bad choices and actions.
Forgive me for not reading this entire thread, I have not the time.
What the either self deluded, or purposeful, rationalization for this conflicting political agenda fails to take into account is what the statistical reality always, always , always will be in a society of 300 million ++ people.
You will never ever get people to "take responsibility" on any scale large enough to be meaningful. People will always get pregnant who can't afford it. This conflicting policy just creates many more social problems and burdens than it will ever solve. Its simple epidemiology.
The suspicious thing is that the smart policy makers know this.
A more accurate thread title would be "GOP just wants women and men to be more responsible about their sexuality and not expect others to shoulder their responsibilities."
Second, we want people to take responsibility for their choices and actions.
Don't we all.
The only problem is, you can't always get what you want.
Wanting men and women to be responsible is a great thing, but the question remains, what to be done when they don't? You have basically three choices, you can have affordable and open access to abortions, you can pay for the care and feeding children of irresponsible "parents", or we just let the little unfortunates suffer the consequences of their parents irresponsibility. Of course if conservatives have a fourth option, I would be more than happy to read about it.
The only problem is, you can't always get what you want.
Wanting men and women to be responsible is a great thing, but the question remains, what to be done when they don't? You have basically three choices, you can have affordable and open access to abortions, you can pay for the care and feeding children of irresponsible "parents", or we just let the little unfortunates suffer the consequences of their parents irresponsibility. Of course if conservatives have a fourth option, I would be more than happy to read about it.
Not everyone makes fun of intergenerational families cohabitating. Not the people with Family Values. Not the parents who are fighting for the right to raise their own children and instill in them their own values and not have the government take over their personal lives. Not the people who are for personal responsibility instead of government welfare. Not the people who want to reduce the size of our giant Federal Government and return to more state, local & community control, where neighbors help neighbors and family members can help other family members because the Federal Government isn't taking all their money to give it away to some nameless, faceless, unknown people thousands of miles away who are caught up in a never ending cycle of governmental dependency bred poverty.
No. Not EVERYONE makes fun of family members being able to help out other family members. Some of us think that is what this country started out as and should return to.
Reality check. Very few children are able to find jobs in the community they grow up in nowadays. Families are spread all across the country.
Both parents are required to work to sustain a home.........they rarely even know their neighbors.......they are too busy working. Many jobs nowadays require people to make frequent moves all over the country. And.....people rarely work for the same company for even 10 years.
People no longer have the opportunity to get to know and rely on their neighbors for help and their families live nowhere near them....they are all scattered........scrambling to find decent jobs.
The days of "Ozzie and Harriet" are gone.......FOREVER.
This is the problem with conservatives.....they keep wishing for "the good ole days" instead of finding solutions to deal with the way the world is NOW.
Local programs? In my community, they are laying off police, firefighters, and teachers......the roads and bridges need repaired. The local governments are broke now, where are they to find the money to care for all of the children who are now on welfare, let alone the amount of children there will be when family planning centers start to disappear because their funding is cut and abortion is banned.
Charities? Really? The government can barely keep up with the social programs needed to educate and provide for children now.........and this is with forcing people to pay taxes to provide funding. In what la-la land are people going to voluntarily give that kind of money to charities?
Adoption? Are you going to force poor or irresponsible people to give up their children for adoption? If a child is born of irresponsible parents........are you up for allowing that child to go homeless or hungry?
Please.........you just have to learn to live in the real world.....the way things ARE......not the way you WISH them to be.
Can't feed 'em? Kill 'em! Is that what you're advocating?
Adoption is a beautiful thing.
There is a difference between not allowing a microscopic clump of cells to eventually develop into a human being, and killing a "child." A huge difference.
And yes, adoption is beautiful. But is there a wonderful home waiting for every minority child born through adoption? Sadly, no: "in 1994 -- concerned about the alarming number of black children waiting for adoption -- Congress passed the Multiethnic Placement Act, which prohibits delay or denial of any adoption due to the race, color or national origin of the child or adoptive parents. Still, after the Act, the number of transracial adoptions failed to significantly increase... The majority of people adopting in the US want a White child...People wait years and pay loads of money for a Caucasian child....And that is the simple truth - there are more minority babies available for adoption than there are adoptive parents for them." Amateurian: ADOPTION
As bad as things have been in the past, things will get worse and the population continues to grow, and restrictions on abortion cause more and more unwanted children to be born in a nation where the working class is being forced deeper and deeper into poverty. It is not good for society to ensure that every single pregnancy must result in another child, since every child is guaranteed massive tax expenditures through the public education system, and the taxpayer-funded "safety net."
We are already at the point where the entire Baby Boom is soon to retire, and all the excess money they poured into Social Security taxes over the decades was spent by government, instead of invested in the "Lock Box." We are already being told by the federal government that the Baby Boom will simply not be able to retire until even later than age 67, and they will have to accept a negative return on the money they lost in taxes. So if we can't afford to return some of the money confiscated from those who have paid taxes their whole lives and supported massive government and social services, how in the world will be able to support a growing population of "needy" that will need a tax investment of at least $500,000 each before they even enter the overpopulated, poorly-paid work force?
The nation should not be reduced to a massive feedlot of utterly poor, hopeless, doomed and angry people. Children should not be brought into a life of misery, even as "punishment" for their mothers not being as careful or responsible as she could have been. The misguided idea that a 2-celled zygote is exactly the same as an existing child is simply an argument that quantity of life is much more important than quality of life, which organized religion certainly believes and promotes for their own power and financial gain. But sometimes we need to think for ourselves and not obey mindlessly when an organization makes edicts for the wrong reasons.
The demand for adoptions has never exceeded the number of children available and when you get into the statistics of what kinds of children are adopted based on race and ethnicity the most at risk children sit in state homes and foster care until they are old enough to leave the system.
Local programs? Puleeze be serious! The local programs that exist at all are primarily funded by Federal dollars. Next?
Charities... yeah, ok. See above.
The bottom line is that you just want to stick your head in the sand, stand on your alleged principles while hundreds of thousands of children simply go without.
Local programs? In my community, they are laying off police, firefighters, and teachers......the roads and bridges need repaired. The local governments are broke now, where are they to find the money to care for all of the children who are now on welfare, let alone the amount of children there will be when family planning centers start to disappear because their funding is cut and abortion is banned.
Charities? Really? The government can barely keep up with the social programs needed to educate and provide for children now.........and this is with forcing people to pay taxes to provide funding. In what la-la land are people going to voluntarily give that kind of money to charities?
Adoption? Are you going to force poor or irresponsible people to give up their children for adoption? If a child is born of irresponsible parents........are you up for allowing that child to go homeless or hungry?
Please.........you just have to learn to live in the real world.....the way things ARE......not the way you WISH them to be.
Maybe the local governments wouldn't be broke now, if the big Federal Government wasn't interfering, with its love affair with Unions, over regulations & other anti-business laws.
Perhaps the "la-la land" where people voluntarily give money to charities would be more of a reality if government wasn't as you put it "forcing people to pay taxes to provide funding" where half of that money is wasted on layer after layer of bureaucratic red tape.
Force adoption? NO. But, perhaps if Planned Parenthood and other Government Agencies were a little more supportive of it instead of being cheerleaders for abortion, more incapable women would choose it. And for those that didn't, there will always be charities that will feed and clothe children. How many children have starved to death in the U.S. recently?
Maybe YOU are the one who needs a reality check. Government is not the only answer. You have probably been raised to think that; but it is not true.
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