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Originally Posted by Mathguy
Gee, now you are linking to an avowed anti-nuke activist who is absolutely motivated to make the accident as bad as possible to push her agenda. She is a HAARP nut too I see.
The fact that you'd decry rent-a-scientist and then link to a CLEARLY biased individual as the beacon of truth is pretty much evidence that you will believe anybody that tells you what you've already decided is true.
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Tectonic Warfare? Uh, okay, whatever.
So, as I understand it, the US hates Iran but doesn't use HAARP to cause earthquakes and instead uses HAARP against an ally like Japan.
Got it.
And just think, people like that get to vote and elect your politicians.
Deciding....
Mircea
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Originally Posted by Don9
She is not a government "rent a scientist" ... that's my point.
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No, she's just a garden-variety nut-case who's wrapped just a little too tightly for Earth.
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Originally Posted by Don9
Do you think she isn't a Geoscientist?
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Doesn't matter what I think, but I will say that if she was an Australian elementary school teacher, then US mainstream media would be proclaiming her as an expert (that really happened --- the US mainstream media paraded around an Australian school teacher as an expert on US intermediate range ballistic missiles, namely the Pershing II).
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Originally Posted by Don9
Do you think she is lying when she talks about her work and experience in Japan?
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Yes, because it contradicts everything ever published.
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Originally Posted by Don9
Do you think that she should not be allowed to express a strong opinion on nuclear power based on her extensive knowledge of the subject?
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She doesn't have "extensive knowledge" and she is expressing a belief, not an opinion. An opinion is a conclusion drawn from facts, which she ignores (for oblivious reasons -- they support her agenda).
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Originally Posted by Don9
If you want to believe the government lies then go ahead ...
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No one is saying the US government does not lie. I have first hand knowledge and personal experience that the US government routinely lies, often over the silliest things.
Not only am I aware that the US government lies, I participated in the lies and even lied on behalf of the US government.
On a scale of 1 to 10, the credibility of the US Government is ZERO.
I learned long ago, probably before you were even born, not to believe anything the US Government says, because it lies and distorts and perverts, and when it isn't doing that, it is omitting critical information that would alter one's perception of the events (or the information presented).
So I do my own research, and if I don't understand, then I seek information from sources that can provide information, and that even includes sources that might have political, social or economic agendas that differ from mine or are contrary to my beliefs.
That's the only to get to the truth.
As I told you on another post, a nominal sized particle (~48 microns) falls at a rate of 2,000 feet per hour. That's how we plot fallout (and yes I sat in classroom doing that boring crap for hours because it was part of my job).
Do the math.
Were some radioactive particles thrust up into the atmosphere due to burning or explosive forces? Sure. Did some of those particles make it to the West Coast of the USA and Canada? Sure, but not enough to kill people.
Did you look at the weather patterns? Did you notice how many times it rained across the Pacific Ocean? Did you factor any of that into your nonsense? No.
Still laughing at the superior intellect...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by GTOlover
We still get higher levels radation coming acoss the ocean here in the PNW on the jetstream but since the dairy milk from local dairy cow milk farms is tested on regular basis qwhile it is high but within limits to be ok to consume.
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But that is irrelevant. What is of most concern to you is
which radioactive particles might be consumed by dairy cattle.
The outer valence electrons of Strontium mimic Calcium. That means a radio-isotope of Strontium would end up in your bones or teeth.
Your body cannot distinguish from natural Iodine and the radio-isotopes of Iodine, and Iodine ends up in your thyroid.
For all other radio-isotopes that you might ingest, those pass harmlessly through your body mostly through feces, but some pass through urine.
Suppose you ingested U238. What would happen? Nothing. Why? Because it's U238 and not Potassium, Iron, Iodine, Calcium, Molybdenum, Chromium, Arsenic, Mercury, Aluminum or anything else.
There's a reason why your body absorbs certain metals and non-metallic minerals and a reason why your body rejects them.
I already explained why your body absorbs Strontium and Iodine.
There's a reason why heavy metals like Mercury, Chromium and Arsenic are concentrated in the brain. It's because your nervous system needs certain metals and non-metallic minerals to function, and those particular heavy metals mimic and are thus up-taken.
Uranium, Thorium, Plutonium, etc, etc, your body has no use for those and subsequently rejects them, so you pass them.
Now, if you should inhale them, well, that's a different matter entirely.
But let's assume you inhaled an atom of U238. What negative health consequences would you have?
None.
As you approached 700 Million years in age, you might suffer health consequence, because the likelihood of that U238 atom decaying and giving off gamma and X-rays, plus neutrons, but that would assume they actually cause damage to cells, genes, chromosomes, DNA/RNA etc.
Pu239 would be a different animal too. All fissile isotopes spontaneously fission (U235 is fissile but U238 is not). Plutonium isotopes have a very high spontaneous fission rate. Within a matter of days, that Pu239 atom would spontaneously fission, producing two radio-isotopes as daughter products.
But would you suffer ill health from that? No. It takes more than one atom.
Walk into any basement or sub-level in the west, central or parts of the eastern US, and you just inhaled a good healthy dose of radon.
I only point that out because so many appear not to understand what radiation is, how it works and what it does. They just hear the word "radiation" and go into a total panic over nothing.
Radiating...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by buzzards27
I don't think the title of the thread claim any workers died, it did imply they stayed knowing they might die.
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No, it said "
Fukushima workers decide to die..."
That's quite inflammatory rhetoric, but I guess it sells advertising.
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Originally Posted by buzzards27
This study says 14,000 or more died in the US from the fallout.
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What fallout?
Did you personally calculate and plot the fallout? Do you know how to do that?
You can rest easy, because I do.
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Originally Posted by buzzards27
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This...
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that were 100s of times above normal levels..."
...is inflammatory. It's yellow journalism.
So, pray tell, what is the normal level?
See, that's how you prey on people's fears and incite panic. You take advantage of the fact that the normal average Joe/Jane has no idea what the normal level is, but it is 100x greater, so therefore...
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there must be a threat.
"Part of the evidence the study uses to argues its case of radiation-related U.S. deaths "
"...uses to argues..."
Are you serious? Who was the copy editor, Martha the Chimpanzee?
So that passes for journalism and scholarship? Okay.
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The CDC publicly issues weekly reports on numbers of deaths for 122 U.S. cities with a population over 100,000, or about 25-30 percent of the U.S. population. Fourteen weeks after Fukushima fallout arrived in the U.S. (March 20 to June 25), deaths reported to the CDC rose 4.46 percent from the same period in 2010, compared to just 2.34 percent in the 14 weeks prior
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In plain English, there is no link. There is a slightly higher death rate, and therefore we must attribute it to radiation, even though there is no evidence directly linking radiation as the cause.
That would be like saying more people died today than yesterday, and today there were two birds sitting in a tree; therefore the two birds caused the deaths of those people.
Debunking..
Mircea
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Originally Posted by Time and Space
If 14,000 Americans living in the continental United States, across the Ocean from Japan, have died do to factors directly related to Japans nucleur disaster...
Than how many Japanese, living right there, at ground zero have died, do to same factors??
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Not relevant.
What you have here is the ignorant and uneducated have conflated a nuclear reactor disaster with the detonation of a nuclear warhead. They are two completely different unrelated things.
The detonation of a nuclear weapon produces what is typically called "prompt radiation" but a nuclear reactor does not.
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Originally Posted by Time and Space
If the gas disperses more as it travels, than I'm assuming those in Japan recieved a higher dose.
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Not necessarily. It depends on where it "falls out." As I said, a nominal sized particle is about 48 microns and falls at the rate of 2,000 feet per hour.
Also, when predicting, calculating or plotting fallout, you have to know the initial quantity of material or have a reasonably accurate approximation. For example, 400 kt warhead, you automatically know that is not a fission weapon, rather it is fission-fusion, and the trigger is going to be about 8 kg of weapons grade Plutonium or a nominal yield of about 20 kt by fission and 380 kt by fusion. You plot the fallout for the 20 kt by fission (since helium -- fusion -- doesn't fallout).
I did a rough plot, because I have friends on other forums who live in Oregon/Washington. Nothing to see there.
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Originally Posted by Time and Space
And did the radioactive cloud specifically target Americans? and bi pass Chinese or Canadians or other nations?
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You need upper air layer data: wind speeds, directions and pressure from 2,000 feet to 30,000 feet (at least). I had a helluva time finding upper air data for Iran.
You plot based on wind-speed and direction, and also by layer.
Plotting...
Mircea
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