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Old 12-14-2017, 06:43 PM
 
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If the parents are that irresponsible, then the children need to be removed from the home; not giving more enabling money to the irresponsible parents.
So poverty is always the product of irresponsibility, not structural deficiencies in the economy or other factors beyond the parent's control?
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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I didn't say that either did I?

But I do favor a voucher system rather than the food stamp system.

Food stamps allow you to my Mt. Dew and potato chips.

Voucher systems restrict you to the necessities of life.
Poor kids getting a little Mr Dew or potato chips every once in a while is far from being one of the biggest problems this country faces.
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Old 12-14-2017, 06:51 PM
 
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Actually, Conservatives really DO want to help deadbeat parents by helping to MOTIVATE them to get a job because other hardworking people will not be giving them their money anymore. Real Help not wasteful handouts.
Which solves the problem of a lack of jobs that pay living wages due to offshoring, automation, etc how? Are people getting progressively lazier as these trends continue? You are claiming that the United States is experiencing a laziness induced labor shortage. Where is the evidence of that?
Where are the jobs that are going unfilled because people aren't willing to work? And many do work...over sixty percent of food stamp recipients work. The problem is a lack of decent paying jobs for them to take, not a laziness induced labor shortage.

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Old 12-14-2017, 06:58 PM
 
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The answer is

"If you can't afford children, don't have them"

So again, it all boils down to Christian conservatives who don't want people to have sex unless they are married. They seem to think that when people are married, a two head household, that they are financially sound enough to have children responsibly. But you should only have sex to have children.

You hardly ever hear about them talk about welfare families, they talk about single mothers, and minority welfare families.
The social safety net they want to eliminate protects millions of married people too. When was the last time a factory boss told his people "profits are down, so we are laying off the unmarried folks".
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:08 PM
 
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Drug addicted parents should not be raising children. Do you really think a drug addict is going to spend any money on their kids or get their kids to the doctor's? Kids need to be removed from the home. The home does not need to be given any more enabling money.
What would you do with all of those kids? Place them in our loving, wonderful, overfunded foster care system? That would require a massive infusion of cash into the foster care system and much better oversight. Sexual abuse, etc is fairly commonplace in the foster care system.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:12 PM
 
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It all depends on what you think is worse: A percentage of kids starving, or a percentage of parents abusing the system.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:14 PM
 
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So poverty is always the product of irresponsibility, not structural deficiencies in the economy or other factors beyond the parent's control?
Conservatives, I've found, do not do too well with the fact that undeserved misery exists.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:14 PM
 
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There are ALWAYS private organizations willing to help the truly needy; especially children.
No there aren't. Your approach was that that was actually taken by the GOP under Hoover. It failed spectacularly then...leading directly to the creation of the modern safety net...and would now.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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Obviously this is not as simple as ALL or NOTHING but for the MOST part, yes I think the private sector is more than able and willing to step up to the plate and help those that truly need help - especially children.
I don't believe that at all.
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Old 12-14-2017, 07:25 PM
 
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If I understand correctly, conservatives want to cut social programs for deadbeat parents who are too lazy to get a job, or can't get a job because they are low skilled and a crappy job market.

Is that correct or am I missing something?

Yes parents can be irresponsible, lazy, or just make really stupid decisions. But the southern religious conservative position is to let the kids starve and go without medical care, correct?

If I am wrong, what is the conservative solution to deadbeat parents? Remember, this is a free country, you cannot force someone to work. The best you can do is send them to jail for child neglect, but throwing mommy in jail isn't going to feed their kids.

So I ask again, what is the conservative solution?
child abuse as you stated is quite common in northern cities as well.


It is extreme prejudice to single out southern cons for a problem that is ubiquitous in most cities.


the democrats bait people into being idle, their solution to everything is money. Unfortunately money is not the answer in many cases. money is the lazy way out, it validates your ticket that proves you care. no further effort required, clean conscience...problem still exists


Be aware, a one solution proposal will not work in many cases. Each situation needs to be dealt with separately. The government is too lazy, inefficient, bloated and too willing to squander money that might be better spent on the targeted demographic. The democrat solution is an abysmal failure. Try something new.


Too bad a bipartisan approach is thwarted by political agendas and vote gathering.
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