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Old 04-02-2011, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by wade52 View Post
There are two recipient classes

And one receives a lot more.

55 Billion Goes to: School lunch & breakfast programs
WIC (Women, Infants, & Children)
Food subsidies
Food stamps
Nutrition education
Other food and health programs
127 Billion Goes to:
Corporate funding (direct & indirect)
Grants to Fortune 500 companies
Big Agra subsidies (including sugar)



Who Are the Real Welfare Queens? | Mark's Daily Apple
They won't address posts like this because they love the rich and have contempt for the poor. The irony of all of this is that most of the right wing types count themselves amongst the faithful! I'm sorry but doesn't it say in the Bible that the measure by which you treat the "least amongst ye" is how you treat Christ? Cutting funding to the poor to give to fat cats is a funny way to treat the "least."
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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They won't address posts like this because they love the rich and have contempt for the poor. The irony of all of this is that most of the right wing types count themselves amongst the faithful! I'm sorry but doesn't it say in the Bible that the measure by which you treat the "least amongst ye" is how you treat Christ? Cutting funding to the poor to give to fat cats is a funny way to treat the "least."
it is almost like that "class envy" thing rush is always talking about. could it be that the PWT teabaggers are envious how we compensate of these dedicate public servants that put their life on the line every day? Do they want to destroy anyone doing a little better than them because they see they will never pull themselves out of the miserable lives they lead?
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Can someone explain to me how does a poster in one sentence claim: "the unions conceded on all points" and then state they won't budge on CB, which is the tool by which the unions would simply claw every concession back in the next few years?

Talk about shady behavior by the public employess: "we'll give up a little bit for a few years, then when we get OUT PEOPLE back in the statehouse - it's back to the same ol' gravy train..."



It is about balancing the budget in 2011, and every year thereafter - NOT setting the stage for these problems to re-surface again in a few years.



Not for long....

No one is saying anything about them clawing back and getting the benefits back, suggesting that is simply making things up.

The Unions have agreed to all of the concessions that Walker campaigned on prior to Election Day.
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Originally Posted by wade52 View Post
There are two recipient classes

And one receives a lot more.

55 Billion Goes to: School lunch & breakfast programs
WIC (Women, Infants, & Children)
Food subsidies
Food stamps
Nutrition education
Other food and health programs
127 Billion Goes to:
Corporate funding (direct & indirect)
Grants to Fortune 500 companies
Big Agra subsidies (including sugar)



Who Are the Real Welfare Queens? | Mark's Daily Apple
might I add to your list?

here are some more examples of corporate welfare that occurred during Bush II's last year:

  • The economic recovery act with $300 billion in loan guarantees in July
  • takes over and guarantees $6 trillion in Fannie/Freddie assets
  • the fed hands AIG $85 billion
  • Tarp with its $700 billion handout for bankers' bonuses
  • wall street market cap drops over 40% off its high costing investors $8.4 trillions ($17 trillion worldwide)
  • Fed hand the banks another $900 billion in loans in Oct 2008
  • Fed hand the big businesses $1.7 trillion in loans in Oct 2008
  • Fed hands out $540 billion to buy short term debt in Oct 2008
  • Fed hand the banks another $800 billion in loans in Nov 2008
  • FDIC will burn through $100 billion for insolvent banks
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:04 PM
 
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why should they be able to "claw back" the compensation they surrendered once the GOP turns the economy around and things get better?
A good economy masks the shady actions of public employee unions and their compliant politician-poodles granting their every wish, so if the economy turns around the leftist media - who sides with the public workers, and the public's focus, will be elsewhere.

This will allow the unholy, illicit alliance between public unions and their bought-and-paid-for pols to re-establish budget-breaking compensation/benefits packages. The pols will then be able to try and argue since everyone is making more money, the necessary higher taxes (the engine with which to fund ever higher benefits) should not be considered a hardship by those of us in the private sector. CB is the method by which this awful process is implemented.

The bottom line is that hardly any public employee union members ever quit their jobs, which tells a rational person that they know they sit on a gravy train, and are paid well above what the market would bear for their position, driving taxes higher than they should be. Like every other job, they should be paid what the market will bear - not a penny more.

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You're not saying that the budget fix isn't going to turn things around, this is permenent? I thought the teabaggers and the GOP were going to create jobs and fix everything?
This statement makes no sense, and would need clarification to be responded to, since it does not clearly relate to the cancer of public employee unions.
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:08 PM
 
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Hell yeah! **** the police and firefighters! Those leaching bastards who make their living off MY dime! Let's crucify those drains on society and take their pay and benefits!
Since you missed my other post in a different thread on this point, let me provide help where it is needed:

//www.city-data.com/forum/18557031-post55.html

Nassau County police officers' salaries

How many of these police are earning middle class salaries? I see hundreds of cops on the list earning massive salaries...over half of them earn over $150k per year.

California Pension Reform's 'The CalPERS 100K Club'

How about these public workers, earning multiple 6-figure pensions? Are they anything BUT a drain on a city/state budget?

Last edited by sterpetron; 04-02-2011 at 10:16 PM..
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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This has NOTHING to do with balancing the budget; this has to do with busting up the union and collective bargaining rights.
Even Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald admits this was all about busting the unions for political power.

http://wseu-sepac.org/documents_prin...ntributors.pdf
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IF it was about balancing the budget, why didn't Walker and the conservatives go after police/fire unions? They account for a much larger chunk of the budget then the other persons; however, they left them alone. Why?
I know you already know the answer and were just trying to get one of these guys to be honest about it, but since none of them seem capable of doing so, I'll go ahead and say it for them. The police and firefighters unions were among Walkers biggest supporters. And in fact, they've historically been among the Republican Party's biggest supporters nation-wide.

Republicans across many states thought they could destroy the democrats by destroying unions. What they're about to find out is that it's going to backfire on them big time when they lose the police and firefighters. They're in for a rude awakening.
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:11 PM
 
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Roy, as stated many, many times, Corporations hire people to satisfy demand for their product. Nothing else. To get them to hire, we need to increase product demand. That is happening, slowly. If Repubs would help in that effort, it would happen more rapidly.
Isnt that what got us into financial trouble to begin with?
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:17 PM
 
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Wow, put the same people who nearly destroyed the state by spending more money then they have and about bankrupting the entire state.

Only a stupid person would allow this to happen.

People voted OUT THE DEMS IN RECORDS numbers for a reason.

No longer can the WORKING CLASS allow the dems to steal their money and hand it our to the non working welfare types.

Dems forgot the message already? They were just handed the worst DEFEAT in 70 years because they were the party of FAILURES.
They dont care about that because they know what is best for the people! The people voted and they dont like how it turned out so they are trying to get it overturned!
Really Pathetic!
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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Remember, "Its for the Children"
It's to line the bank accounts and pockets of those who vote for those who ran the state into the ground!
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