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View Poll Results: Should The Travel Embargo to Cuba be Lifted?
Yes 36 92.31%
No 3 7.69%
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:52 AM
 
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And the Castro revolution did not start out as a communist one. The Russians certainly did not consider them communist at the time. But we did a real nice job of pushing Cuba into Russia's arms.
exactly. Castro wasn't anti-American to start with, the US made him a communist.
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Old 04-02-2011, 03:57 AM
 
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Decades of embargo, countless assassination attempts, an unsuccessful invasion...man the US should just give it up and accept Cuba's victory in this David vs. Goliath scenario.
Tell that to the Cubans who have lived under his dictatorship.
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Old 04-02-2011, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Good things come from Cuba.
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Old 04-02-2011, 04:46 AM
 
Location: The Beautiful Pocono Mountains
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The only way we should lift anything with Cuba is if they start accepting their criminals back into the country.
When Cubans come to the US illegally and commit a crime, eventually they are released. For just about any other country, we call Immigration on their release date, they pick them up and they are deported. Not Cuba.
They will not accept them back and they are held in a prison in Miami until they see a judge, then are put right back out on the streets.
I had said once, how about we just put them on a plane and send them back anyway. It was tried and Castro had them shot one by one as they got off the plane.
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Old 04-02-2011, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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as long as we travel there with the army first....Turn the whole island into a ethanol refinery...(sugar cane is a better feedstock than corn)
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:05 AM
 
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Victory?!?
That's a good one.
Is Cuba what "victory" looks like?
Cuba looks exactly like one would expect a small Island nation to look like after almost 5 decades of economic isolation by the largest economic power in the world, and a government that had little choice but to respond harshly to political opposition, due to the constant threat of ongoing US funded covert destabilization efforts.

The embargo against Cuba and the consistently hostile stance of the US government toward Cuba is as much responsible for that political oppression, and economic hardship as is Castro, who understood all too well how quickly he'd have become a dead man were he to have been more tolerant of political opposition. The losers in this were the Cuban people ... a very noble, resourceful, and hardworking people of tremendous fortitude and character.

I'm not defending Castro's tactics, nor trying to paint an unrealistic picture of benevolence, especially when considering the early days and years of the Cuban revolution, and the psychopathic and murderous nature of Che Guevera ... whom I think surpassed most definitions of a maniac military tyrant as infamous as the worst. There is definite history of extreme criminality on that front. I'm just stating the "other" facts, which are not presented honestly by western media propaganda.

Honestly, it doesn't take a great deal of imagination to picture what Cuba might look like today in the absence of Castro's success in keeping the international gangsters from taking full control of Cuba decades ago. All one need do is look at several other Caribbean Island nation examples who's people, in vast majority, live in abject poverty on the outskirts of bustling commercial tourism and industry exploitation by large corporate interests, who reap great financial fortune at the expense of the commoners. Describing the prospects of the Cuban people in Communist-Capitalist terms can be summed up in one phrase "Stuck between a rock and a hard place".

Much is made of the political oppression and economic conditions, while ignoring some of the benefits ... such as a people who enjoy a simpler lifestyle, cleaner environment, and lower crime rates ... along with cleaner food, and a health care system that provides actual health care, rather than commercial mass poisoning of the population, such that we enjoy here in the US. Life expectancy in Cuba is well above averages for those not critical of the regime. The others, not so fortunate.

But let's not be blind hypocrites by ignoring the probability that the average Cuban would never have enjoyed a middle class American lifestyle under a capitalist model ... there are too many examples of western exploitation of indigenous peoples of small nations that would argue such fallacy.

Channeled in the proper way ... and in absence of an agenda to destabilize and overthrow the Cuban government for 49 years, American foreign policy toward Cuba could have helped improve the conditions of the Cuban people greatly, by means of economic incentives, rather than hostile isolation .... intent of which was ALWAYS to ensure Cuban failure, for western propagandist purposes.

The fact that this embargo is still in place is a classic example of US hypocrisy, given our full support of far more brutal and oppressive regimes around the globe during these 49 years ... many of which were actually put in place by the US.

I think JFK, who initiated the embargo would be appalled to know the long lasting implications of this, and would have firmly rejected it's continuation all of these many years.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Half a century of economic warfare against Cuba has done nothing to either improve the lives of the Cubans or to advance the foreign policy goals of the United States.
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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I think travel to Cuba should be encouraged, even if only for people to see first hand what a failure communism is.
Germany failed pretty bad, too, when France and England enforced world-wide trade sanctions against Germany.
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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I think the US should. There is no reason why Americans shouldn't be allowed to travel to Cuba.
Obviously.

The embargo is easily one of the dumbest foreign policy decisions in the history of this country. That it's gone on this long shows how idiotic our politicians are and have been for 40 years. It's done more for Castro than he could've ever done for himself.

It's a Miami policy, pure and simple. They don't give a damn down there because they can send their families remittances, but for the poor Cuban people without family in the U.S., it's devastating and shameful on our part.

If Obama has guts, he'll do what needs to be done and push to have this crap ended. He's not going to win votes in the Cuban Exile community anyway...so he may as well hurt their feelings. They'll get over it.
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Old 04-02-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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Tell that to the Cubans who have lived under his dictatorship.
I'll gladly tell them that. Castro won...we lost. The Cubans on the island know it already. There is no need to tell them anything.
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