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I don't pretend to know/understand the bible or christianity as I'm not a christian but if your friends really are engaged in those activities.........they probably aren't recognized by the christians in my neck of the woods. BTW, not recognizing gay marriage isn't "passing legislation" against them. It's holding on to one's culture. In a multicultural society that's exactly what we are supposed to do.
Legislation like Prop 8 and DOMA is a direct legislative attempt to keep gays from being able to get married. Holding onto one's culture may be the reason, but the effect has to do with law. Even the most liberal anti-religious gay people I know manage to hold onto their culture without trying to ban or prevent religious practice.
And you admitted it yourself. A lot of Christians don't respect gays. So why would you expect all gays to respect Christians? Aren't they just doing the same thing those Christians who are "holding onto their culture" are doing? The only difference, of course, is that gays aren't trying to pass religious versions of laws like Prop 8 and DOMA.
And like other posters have pointed out, the two groups aren't mutually exclusive. There are religious gays, religious people who don't oppose homosexuality, and gays who don't oppose religion.
So you admonish people that they can't understand homosexuals unless they are one but homosexuals can understand straight people. You can't be serious.
But let me guess you are? Lame and ridiculous.
Nothing further here.
Gay people are inundated every day with "straight" life - everywhere. So of course gay people would have a better understanding of what it's like to be straight.
Has nothing to do with socialism. We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic. Our government was created for the express purpose of preventing tyranny of the majority.
It has everything to do with authoritarian / totatalitarian societies. They don't believe in democracy either. BTW, representational governments aka constititutional republics are a form of democracy. The fact that you deny we are a democracy is quite telling.
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Care to expand on that? Marriage is not a religious institution. This country was not founded on religion. Children are not a requirement.
Marriage is a creation of virtually all successful societies that religions often claim as their own. Traditional marriage, which predates christianity, is a wonderful institution for encouraging the procreation of and the enculturation of........children.
Legislation like Prop 8 and DOMA is a direct legislative attempt to keep gays from being able to get married. Holding onto one's culture may be the reason, but the effect has to do with law. Even the most liberal anti-religious gay people I know manage to hold onto their culture without trying to ban or prevent religious practice.
Or maybe they're trying to say that since gay people already can get married, they should do it by the same rules we do. Maybe it's us saying we just want to protect what is already in place--because change isn't always good.
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And you admitted it yourself. A lot of Christians don't respect gays. So why would you expect all gays to respect Christians? Aren't they just doing the same thing those Christians who are "holding onto their culture" are doing? The only difference, of course, is that gays aren't trying to pass religious versions of laws like Prop 8 and DOMA.
No...gays are just trying to change existing marriage law to redefine marriage to include same-gender marriage.
When we actually say "hey, wait a second", we get hated on. I'm sorry if you find that offensive to actually stick up for what we believe in.
Marriage is a creation of virtually all successful societies that religions often claim as their own. Traditional marriage, which predates christianity, is a wonderful institution for encouraging the procreation of and the enculturation of........children.
Which same-sex couples are perfectly capable of doing. If anything, people who are for the procreation and enculturation of children should be more vehemently opposed to single parenthood than same-sex parenthood.
The thing that makes this country great is that PEOPLE CAN LIVE THEIR LIVES HOWEVER THE HELL THEY WANT TO, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T INFRINGE ON THE RIGHTS AND LIBERTIES OF OTHERS.
You think homosexuality is a sin? Great! Don't be a homosexual. However, personal views of right/wrong should never interfere with anyone elses rights.
If you support something that *does* limit the rights of other law-abiding citizens, I think the term "hate" is completely appropriate.
If I said: "I don't hate women at all. I just think they have no business voting - they don't have the political mind to make those kinds of decisions." Do you think that would be taken for anything other than hate and misogyny? Honestly?
You are replying to a poster who has said she doesn't have a problem with gay people-she has a problem that they are gay.
Legislation like Prop 8 and DOMA is a direct legislative attempt to keep gays from being able to get married. Holding onto one's culture may be the reason, but the effect has to do with law. Even the most liberal anti-religious gay people I know manage to hold onto their culture without trying to ban or prevent religious practice.
I see gay marriage as forcing change on my culture.
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And you admitted it yourself. A lot of Christians don't respect gays. So why would you expect all gays to respect Christians? Aren't they just doing the same thing those Christians who are "holding onto their culture" are doing? The only difference, of course, is that gays aren't trying to pass religious versions of laws like Prop 8 and DOMA.
I did not say that. I said they would not recognize that form of christianity.
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And like other posters have pointed out, the two groups aren't mutually exclusive. There are religious gays, religious people who don't oppose homosexuality, and gays who don't oppose religion.
That's why we are considered a multicultural society. The secret, if there is one, is to find a way for us to all coexist peacefully. I suggest to you we are not doing that at this point.
Which same-sex couples are perfectly capable of doing. If anything, people who are for the procreation and enculturation of children should be more vehemently opposed to single parenthood than same-sex parenthood.
Same sex parenthood involves many of the characteristics of broken homes. They fail to address the importance of having male and female biological parents. Two mommies does not equal a father. Two fathers........
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I guess some are just incapable of debating in a calm and reasonable manner.
Where did I say it was OK to "fire someone for being gay. . ."
Just because some people believe homosexuality is a sin* doesn't mean they are for inequality and mistreatment.
Well yes. They usually are. People who believe this*, generally do not want gay people to have equal rights or to even exist as gay people. They usually want gay people to submit to "pray away the gay" so-called therapy, and magically change into straight people. However, as any reputable and competent health professional knows, it doesn't work and is often harmful.
People who believe this* are often very misinformed about sexual orientation and homosexulity and tend to spread this mis-information about. This is harmful to gay people.
People who belive this* have often not even read the whole Bible or studied it in the historical context in which the texts were written. They often cherry-pick a handful of english interpretations of verses with no understanding of the original context, and then use them to condemn gay people and support their own indoctrinated prejudices.
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